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Posted byVincent Adultman5 days ago

In these trying times

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2.1k points · 5 days ago

"What if people had the right pair of pumped up kicks? Maybe they could outrun the bullets"

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Todd, you goddamn genius.

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Charley Witherspoon257 points · 5 days ago

it's an untapped market

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Has this ever happened to you?!..,

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5 points · 5 days ago

That cute smile.

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This is by far my favorite line in all of Bojack Horseman.

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Mine was

“What if we get David Copperfield make the twin towers... disappear!?”

(Conference room in silence/awkwardness)

“Ehhh.... David Copperfield isn’t really.... big anymore”

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I died when I saw that scene for the first time!

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This joke and "Chandler's list" make me laugh uncontrollably. Thinking about those jokes always put a smile on my face no matter how I am feeling.

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3 points · 4 days ago

Could I HAVE a bigger list?

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That's just a dumb joke from a song.

Now a magnet on a staff on the other hand.....

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17 points · 5 days ago

You're a genius! This is an untapped market!

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Was Courtney Portnoy supposed to be based on someone?

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Courtney Portnoy, who portrayed the formerly portly consort in The Seaport Resort?

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THIS IS ONE OF THOSE ANSWERING MACHINES320 points · 5 days ago

The same Courtney Portnoy who found joy in her hoi poloi boy toy?

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ME HOY MINOY

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Damn that’s one combo breaker

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What a finisher though.

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Haven't laughed at a comment that hard in a while. Whew, thanks pal.

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I thought Todd was Courtney Portnoy's boy toy.

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12 points · 4 days ago

Hoi polloi means the masses, general just ordinary public, so Todd is the hoi polloi boy toy.

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96 points · 5 days ago

Fun fact, Amy Sedaris told the writers that she hated those lines so that's why PC has all of them in season 4.

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I actually assumed she was an influence for that type of comedy after loving her show, Strangers With Candy, back in the day. They did it a bit and had lots of plays on words through its run. Maybe im misrembering.

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The actor Jeff Portnoy, who starred in the Oscar-winning movie Tropic Thunder, the true story behind a group of actors who attempted to make a film about a fake story about a group of men set in Vietnam. His comeback story from drug addict to esteemed actor was highly likely to be the basis of her character.

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Jeff Portnoy, Jeff Portnoy, Jeff Portnoy, and Jeff Portnoy in-

“The Fatties: Fart 2”

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Also one of the most iconic comedies ever made, if you haven’t seen it... do it.

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That's too much, man! 1.2k points · 5 days ago

“I am sick and tired of real-life gun violence getting in the way of us telling stories that glamorize gun violence”

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As he stands in front of 3 movie posters where they're glamorizing gun violence.

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30 points · 5 days ago · edited 4 days ago

This isn't a problem in other countries because normal people don't have guns there

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Also Switzerland, where people do have guns.

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Guns don't kill people, Americans do.

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-10 points · 4 days ago(3 children)
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Yeah, like we said, Americans.

/s

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I do understand what you mean, that’s what the Switzerland article seems to show... but “normal” is not a concrete thing to measure. We certainly can do much better than handing guns to psychopaths like we’re doing now, sure. However, people in general have been misinformed about gun issues and problems repeatedly by politicians.

Think about it like this: given Switzerland’s relatively high amount of guns per capita (which isn’t quite as high as the U.S.) there is a chance that most of the people doing this to their children and/or their spouses own guns as well. Normal? Perhaps. Morally right and legal? Oh hells no.

IMHO, I do still agree that part of the problem are the people who really shouldn’t own a gun lest the power go to their head: “ooh I can kill people with this boom stick, will totally go do that.” The other half is guns being taken by unregistered people and used for violence against other people (and/or suicide, however that’s a related but different issue). Even the swiss have this problem, despite having signifcantly more advanced gun control than the U.S..

IMHO, if we add more guns we get more violence. We can’t do much to curb gun violence if we have more guns per capita than a country that requires every male to serve in the army and issues guns to nearly everyone without requiring training and discipline AND getting the current guns off the streets just to start fresh (with less armed psychos) AND — once that’s done — making sure people don’t get misinformed again by sleaze-ball politicians.

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Time to ban abnormal people.

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Lol

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"of course you hear about other movie premieres being cancelled because of gun violence, you just never expect it to happen to your movie"

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Is this r/bojackhorseman ‘s version of the onion’s “no way to prevent this” article?

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Vincent AdultmanOriginal Poster74 points · 5 days ago

correct

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Article link?

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Do they do a new one with the same title every time there’s a shooting?

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Yes.

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Not quite, the customize it a little, putting the details from the new one and changing the “resident” who makes the statement, but most of it is consistent. Seems like they’ve got a template

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Judah Mannowdog1 point · 4 days ago

I love how they point out just how many shootings happen in the USA in literally every sentence.

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FYI: they post the same article every time a mass shooting occurs in America (of course, in America. Where else?) but they just change the location, number of deaths etc.

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224 points · 5 days ago · edited 5 days ago

We had a mass shooting the next town over last night... When I woke up and read the news, including everyone's false sympathy obligatory "thoughts and prayers" post... this is what came to mind. I had to try really hard not to post this on facebook.

EDIT: No one would have got it, anyway. You guys get it.

Also, now there's a fire.

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Facebook streamlined the process by making profile picture overlays. Now you don't even need to hit more than on button!!

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"Show your support for daily gun violence through these trendy filters." "Did we just say support for daily gun violence? We meant support for daily gun violence victims and survivors."

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45 points · 5 days ago

You could've also wrote - This is America

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Agoura Hills?

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It was Thousand Oaks actually, not quite agoura, but Agoura Hills is currently under evacuation for the Hills(?) fire. yay, california is both being shot up and set on fire. neat. i'm glad my bug out bag is packed already.

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He said he was in the next city over and I was just wondering if its Agoura because thats my city, our area hasnt been told to evacuate yet and I really hope it wont.

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Almost. I work in Thousand Oaks some days, and most of my friends used to go to that poor bar :(

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Yo man are you evacuating? This fire shit got scary quick. Stay safe

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Thank you! Not where I am, but Im staying glued to the alerts. This is total bullshit after the Thomas fire!

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This week has been just fucking awful, especially for our poor little bubble. Why us?! The air over here in Agoura is literally unbreathable it looks like a foggy day outside thats how bad the smoke is.

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I know... Are you staying safe? I didn't realize you were so close.

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I am safe right now, but it seems to get worse every second and I think my area is mandatory evac, hunkering down atm but keeping my important items together for a quick escape

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Good luck, and be ready. I had to evac late. My 2nd and 3rd neighbors down the street ended up burning down in the Thomas fire. Collect the pets!

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Thank you brother, im gonna start packing my truck I think, any idea how the freeway looks? I hear and assume that it is packed.

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Beatrice Horseman2 points · 4 days ago

I’m sorry you got downvoted so much over that, but I guess if they didn’t get the reference they wouldn’t have known

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Ouch. Sorry buddy :(

Well, thank sweet baby jesus for this sub, at least!

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Days since last mass shooting: [12] [0]

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60 points · 5 days ago · edited 4 days ago

You forgot about the one in Tennessee 6 days ago. The yoga studio that got shot up.

Edit: Tallahassee, Fl not Tennessee

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48 points · 5 days ago

Must suck to be a mass shooter who's mass shooting was so upstaged by the next mass shooting that no one recalls your own mass shooting 6 days prior.

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Tallahassee, FL not Tennessee. But it's beyond fucked up that I'm not 100% sure there wasn't one in Tennessee.

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BoJack Horseman38 points · 5 days ago

It depresses me immensely that we've reached a point where people can barely keep track of all the shootings

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10 points · 4 days ago

That one wasn't even reported in the UK that I saw.

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Mate, if we had to hear about it every time an American shot a bunch of people we'd never get anything else done.

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To be fair, it’s gotten hard to keep track. We haven’t even thought and prayed properly for the latest mass shooting as the next one happens.

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What now?

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53 points · 5 days ago

Real heroes offer an egg I'm trying times

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Vincent AdultmanOriginal Poster13 points · 5 days ago

see that new Mac dance?

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4 points · 4 days ago

I think I've been poisoned by my constituents!

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Ralph Stilton2 points · 5 days ago

It's just a jumping off point.

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Get the hell out, Frank!

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Is it bad that I didn’t even know there was a mass shooting again until I saw this post?

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It was kind of surreal this morning when they were like “and in other news a shooter in CA entered a bar and shot 12 people last night. And now here’s Todd with the traffic report.”

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43 points · 5 days ago

No, we would probably be a happier country if we weren't constantly bombarded with depressing news stories.

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Or if incels would stop mass murdering people, that would probably help too

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Or if incels literally everyone would stop mass murdering people, that would probably help too

ftfy

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Ehhhh. Mass shooters are like 90% white dudes.

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8 points · 4 days ago

Being white dudes doesn’t make them incels. Posting manifestos calling themselves incels is what makes them incels. Just to be clear.

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Not saying it does-just pointing out the “everyone” comment might be a little broad.

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Butterscotch Horseman-1 points · 4 days ago

This is as unhelpful as it is when right-wingers talk about all the gangland shootings in Chicago any particular night. And it leads me to ask why you are being divisive? How does it help solve the problem?

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I think at this point it’s enough of an epidemic that we need to stop and ask what’s going on within that demographic. Clearly society is failing somewhere.

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Because understanding the problem is the first step to solving it.

If 90% of mass shooting perpetrators are white males with mental health issues, that is helpful knowledge for those who personally know someone who might strike out this way. Several shootings have been avoided by friends and family "profiling" their loved ones.

And doesn't Chicago use a profiling algorithm to determine who is at risk of dying from gang violence? This info is used to reach out to these young black men and try to save them from prison or the grave.

With that said, guess what 100% of mass shootings have in common with 100% of gang shootings?.....

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Butterscotch Horseman1 point · 4 days ago

If the answer you are thinking of is guns, I'm all for gun control.

I'd agree that profiling can be useful, but it sounded like this thread was less interested in profiles and more interested in "blame the group". I am reminded of reddits attempt to catch the Boston Bomber which ended with hundreds of death threats to an innocent family.

If someone is saying "90% of gangland shootings in Chicago are black dudes" usually I'm going to start an argument with them because, they aren't interested in a solution, they are trying to blame a group.

I spend a lot of time arguing with right wingers. They bring up the Chicago thing over and over and I'm not even sure they all realize how tacitly racist it is (though some do). But now, if we start saying things about "Mass shooters are 90% white dudes" that is just inviting the Chicago response. And none of it is constructive if we want to have an adult conversation about this stuff.

Anyways, back to our common ground, all shootings are tragedies, and I would love for us to enact more gun control -- at the very least something like Australia has but I'd be open to other solutions as well.

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-5 points · 5 days ago(0 children)
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Butterscotch Horseman6 points · 4 days ago

This sort of labeling is counter-productive. It certainly doesn't foster any sort of constructive conversation when a term becomes a pejorative for a large nebulous groups. For instance, I genuinely loathe it when people use the term "SJW" (for a variety of reasons, but one of them is that it isn't well defined what one is -- it is only determined through social consensus) and "incel" is becoming the same sort of thing. Yes there is a subreddit and a defined group of people calling themselves incels but now it seems like the definition is being widened to include all social outsiders which is pretty unfair.

Anyways, while I may dislike the things the actually defined group "incels" believes, I do not think they are all mass murders or that we can assume all or most mass murderers would even agree with their beliefs.

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3 points · 4 days ago

You might appreciate this deep dive on what it means to be an incel and discussion about the self-described incel who decided to become a mass murderer because of it.

https://voidpod.com/podcasts/2018/5/2/ev-041-part1-siri-whats-an-incel

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Butterscotch Horseman1 point · 4 days ago

Thanks, I'll check it out. I will readily admit I don't know much about the group. That said, again there are very clearly some non-incels who are spree shooters.

Really the common element is dog ownership. No spree shooter has ever owned a dog. This is pretty easy to fix. Rescue puppies for everyone and you could end this sort of violence!

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Better set a google alert for mass shootings, can’t keep getting caught off guard like this. phone rings ohhh...

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Goddamn it

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80 points · 5 days ago · edited 5 days ago

27 people killed due to gun violence in the last two weeks (since October 24). Just little American things~

EDIT: To the people responding about gun control, note that I said nothing about gun control, just pointed out tangible numbers that relate to people killed by guns. 🤷🏻‍♀️🤷🏻‍♀️

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This would never happen in a state with proper gun laws.....

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it is almost as if there is free and open transport between states, so the ability of individual states to limit gun access is severally limited.

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3 points · 4 days ago

Jesus this is the worst argument. Strict state laws don't mean shit when you can just drive over the border to the next state no worries.

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In the case of California, you can’t.

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Why exactly not?

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If you’re a California resident you can only buy a firearm in California. Here’s how the process works;

Say you want a shotgun, you go to a gun dealer and take a firearms safety test and undergo a background check. Once the test is passed and your background check comes back you then wait 10 days before you pick up your new gun. During that time the California department of justice investigates your character just to make sure you should have a firearm. After ten days and all is good you can pick up your gun. Once you get to the store to pickup the gun they check your license to make sure you’re still the person that originally bought it, register the gun with the state and fingerprint you. After that it’s yours and you can take it home.

No laws could have prevented this. Going to another state wouldn’t allow someone to legally buy anything other than magazines or ammo.

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2 points · 4 days ago

I feel like your missing something big here. You can just easily get a gun from somebody else in another state who buys the weapon legally. There’s a million ways to acquire weapons in the US and this just is one example. State laws don’t mean shit.

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If state laws don’t mean anything.... does that mean gun control doesn’t work?

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2 points · 4 days ago

No? Works great in Australia as a Country wide policy. State laws don’t mean shit when you can just grab a gun from anywhere else in the country.

I don’t understand how a lot of Americans don’t get this concept 🤔😂

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Australia is an island. The United States borders Mexico which has high crime rates and poverty. A lot of drugs and illegal good flow over the border. Even if the US was as strict as Australia in terms of gun laws, there still will be guns flowing in from Mexico. Also, there are over 500+ million guns in the United States so unless you’re talking about confiscation (which will literally never happen) then there’s going to be guns everywhere. The gun culture is ingrained in Americans, not the case for Australia. Hence why after the mass shooting in Australia in the 90’s, many guns were turned in voluntary by the citizens

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And when all states have the same gun laws what will we do about the 357M in circulation? Why are we constantly circle jerking about new laws when we know none currently proposed will help?

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Butterscotch Horseman7 points · 4 days ago

It happens pretty infrequently in Australia where some reasonable gun control has been introduced.

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8 points · 4 days ago

Yeah, but it’s not like Australia had its worst shooting in history over 20 years ago, passed reasonable gun control, and hasn’t had a mass shooting since... wait.

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Some guy in Melbourne blew up his car and stabbed a bunch of people. Violent people do violent things the only thing that changes is the tool they use.

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6 points · 4 days ago

Yeah but imagine if he had automatic weapons, would have been a lot worse.

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Well automatic weapons are de facto banned in the US also. To purchase an automatic weapon you need to pay for a tax stamp and the required paperwork. Wait months for the ATF response. The weapon has to have been produced before 1986 and on the NFA registry. From there you have to have the nearly 10 grand to buy the weapon since register automatic weapons are rare. The ATF keeps close tabs on all automatic weapons in the US and to my knowledge are rarely used in violent crimes.

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The point is you can still buy them though right (even if it's hard)? In any case, I'm glad he had just a knife and not a weapon (especially with "Bump" Stocks).

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Killing 1 person and injuring 2.

For contrast 11 people died at the LA shooting.

People are going to be crazy, but it you make a lot more difficult to kill people, there'll be less loss of life before they come to their senses or get stopped by the police.

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In a country of 325 million.

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-93 points · 5 days ago(20 children)
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39 points · 5 days ago

Less every year. Turns out, working at reducing deaths result in less deaths, whereas thoughts and prayers do jack shit.

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May I offer you an egg in these trying times?

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Vincent AdultmanOriginal Poster8 points · 5 days ago

you see that new Mac dance?

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egg

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Vincent AdultmanOriginal Poster4 points · 5 days ago

Why thank you.

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Todd Chavez7 points · 5 days ago

We should just pin this to the top - it will always be relevant, sadly.

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Pinky Penguin8 points · 5 days ago

I hate that this is real.

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Thoughts and prayers

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3 points · 4 days ago

Thoughts and prayers.

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3 points · 5 days ago

Might as well just sticky this or make it the sub banner.

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10 points · 5 days ago

Slightly related, it’s interesting how people that say “thoughts and prayers do nothing” are the same people that do nothing except berate others for saying it.

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I'm pretty sure that the people who say that are by and large in support of a more restrictive gun policy. They berate others for saying that because "thoughts and prayers" are a substitute for supporting real change.

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At least they aren't being hypocrite by pretending they're doing something.

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3 points · 4 days ago · edited 4 days ago

That is entirely incorrect. There are people who constantly denounced the use of that stupid phrase on social media, while being extremely active members of Mothers Demand Action, to the point of holding meetings and actually demanding action both over the phone and in person of actual government officials. It’s almost like having a child in school motivates you to want to put a stop to school shootings.

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If only laws worked.

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32 points · 5 days ago · edited 5 days ago

I did not like how they handled the Diane plot of this episode, the whole fight is supposed to be that Diane feels safer as a female on the street with a gun and that's why we need lax gun laws, which is just peak bougie feminism, it's just inserting her pet cause into an issue that has nothing to do with it. Not only are most gun crime victims male, the feminist angle into the issue is that DV victims overwhelmingly face the risk of gun crime, especially female victims. It's also not something that arises from a deep private belief that she has previously that spirals out of control (like the Hank Hippo episode) but she just tries a gun once and voila she's suddenly the expert and broadcasts her opinion into the world

Diane feeling safer because she can threaten catcallers with her gun and then showing that is the real reason we pass gun laws is so far away from anything relevant with the issue that it's almost laughable they try to play it off as a serious issue. I would feel something fine in thinking that this is part of the show showing us that Diane needs to be the center of attention, but at no point are we given indication from the show that Diane is a bad guy, and we are supposed to feel bad when she loses, so it's the indication that this was really an actual point they were trying to make with the episode. Which is incredibly dumb.

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Princess Carolyn168 points · 5 days ago

The feminist angle isn't that women are the majority of the victims of gun violence. Diane's point was that women have been, and continue to be, the victims of male harassment, and that her ownership of a gun "levels the playing field." She states:

Mr. Peanutbutter, you know I hate guns, too. Or I thought I did. Or I still do, mostly. But being a gun owner finally makes me feel as safe walking down the street as a man gets to feel all the time.

Her point isn't about whether gun laws should be more strict or more lax, but that women should be able to protect themselves from men. The twist is that, in a world where gun laws are purportedly lax, society would rather make gun laws more strict than to allow women (a marginalized group) to have guns.

The events of the episode aren't completely ridiculous. The Mulford Act, California's law banning the carrying of loaded firearms, was passed in response to fear of black people (a marginalized group) with guns. In the 1960s, when Black Panthers were patrolling their neighborhoods for their own safety, white Republicans and white Democrats reached across the aisle to make it illegal for them to do so. Ronald Reagan signed the bill into law, stating that he saw "no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons." This episode is a reference to those events.

I have friends today who are generally peaceful and progressive, but who absolutely believe that women should be allowed special dispensation to carry firearms in defense of male-inflicted violence. Diane is speaking for them.

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IMO the biggest thing that the episode got wrong was that conservatives (to their credit) actually do talk about arming women quite a lot. They're always sharing Facebook memes essentially saying "conservative women carry guns, while liberal women are just helpless".

The idea that conservative male legislators would suddenly ban guns because they became popular with women seemed way off. Their more likely reaction would be "finally, you listened to us!"

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Yup, another reason why the episode is far less clever than it thinks it is. "Leveling the playing field" has been an NRA argument for years. They treat it as if Diane just came up with it randomly. She's just playing the part of an NRA spokesperson this entire episode.

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I don’t think their angle was regarding women+guns specifically. I think it was a satire of a male-dominated legislature passing laws to regulate women’s choices. Indicating that women are still often marginalized.

Example: when they’re talking about how guns are “specifically designed for a man’s grip and a man’s temperament.” It’s pointing out sexism; guns just happen to be the vehicle for the message.

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This is in cali though

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3 points · 5 days ago

Only in America when we see one group with a greater ability to inflict violence do we level the playing field by adding violence on the other side! Trump wanted to ask teachers, right?

Today my kids were fighting and my elder daughter bit her sister so I should give the baby a knife to even the score?

The solution is deescalation, people!

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6 points · 5 days ago

Literally the episode!!

“I can’t believe this country hates women more than it likes guns.”

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1 point · 4 days ago

maybe I should check this show out...

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4 points · 5 days ago · edited 5 days ago

Men are not safe all the time, that's the point. From Diane's privileged world view, she thinks that all men are free from violence and can walk down the street. But that's just abjectly not true. She is just thinking about all the well off people in her life, rather than society as a whole. And then assuming that all men live the same lives or face the same lack of risk. You're telling me that Diane, who can afford a car and doesn't have to live in the hood, faces the risk of violent harassment on the level that poor inner-city people do?

I know what her point is, it's just that her point is irrelevant in regards to the issue. It's literally just "but what about men???" but in reverse. It's irrelevant, derailing, and laughable. "I get catcalled sometimes so I need to scare away men with guns so we need to emphasize gun ownership" is extremely far removed from reality.

Most women do not, on the street, have to shoot men or scare away men with guns on a daily basis. You know who do face gun violence on a daily basis? Men, and female DV victims. These are the people who are actually suffering. When you look at gun violence casualties these are two groups that are disproportionately victims. However, does Diane care? No. She does 0 research into the issue and is only reacting to how she felt one time based on a personal anecdote. It's selfish. She is taking an issue that has very little to do with her, or her demographic, and is making it entirely about her.

The events of the episode aren't completely ridiculous. The Mulford Act, California's law banning the carrying of loaded firearms, was passed in response to fear of black people (a marginalized group) with guns.

Dear God lol, if the writers were using Diane, a bougie L.A. blogger who writes novels and hobnobs with celebrities in her spare time as a stand in for inner city Oakland black men (note the gender) in the 1960s responding to systemic police violence (and many were subsequently assassinated) then they're even stupider than I'm giving them credit for.

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48 points · 5 days ago

It’s almost like the writers are treating her like an actual character with flaws instead of a blank slate on which to cast their political opinions. 🤔

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They're not though, which is my beef with the episode. There's no moment of reckoning for her, she loses and we're supposed to feel bad for her. And then the episode ends. There is no reason to believe that the writers were ever trying to make Diane the wrong party this entire episode.

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I was initially prepared to disagree with your Original Post, but this is really well defended and you've changed my mind.

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Thanks! I don't even disagree with they're getting at in theory, I just feel like they went about it very clunkily and just tried to jam it into a "catch all" episode with gun violence when it was really just out of place. I don't think the end product was as good as it could have been.

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I see your argument, but I rather enjoy the handful of various plotlines. I could see that it is sort of a mashup, but I think introducing all of these subjects is sort of a conversation starter. It is to say that no single issue exists in and of itself, and that there are always other things to consider.

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In reading some comments further, I think the writers may have been addressing a specific talking point, in that "leveling the playing field" was sort of a facile argument and easily marginalized with a little bit of critical thinking. You have crafted a well thought-out take down of Diane's motives, and it really puts some context on where she resides in the Bojack pantheon, as well as how the writers treat her overall. The fact that Princess Carolyn doesn't really take much of a stand (and is kinda "meh" towards Diane's feelings) is further support for your argument, I think.

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Toby McGuire24 points · 5 days ago

Men are not safe all the time, that's the point. From Diane's privileged world view, she thinks that all men are free from violence and can walk down the street. But that's just abjectly not true. She is just thinking about all the well off people in her life, rather than society as a whole. And then assuming that all men live the same lives or face the same lack of risk.

You're reading a bit too much into this. Diane is talking about a different kind of fear. I don't think it's really arguable that men deal with far fewer situations like the one depicted in the episode, where some creepy guy gets aggressive because he assumes she can't really fight back. But even beyond that, women are easy targets for muggings and other assault crimes because 1 man with no weapon can usually physically dominate them.

Even in a bit sketchy neighborhood, I don't have to be really wary of walking around at night simply because I'm a big guy. That's not going to stop a bullet or a knife or whatever, but two teenagers are probably going to think twice before trying to strong arm me and pick an easier victim. As they say, you don't have to outrun the bear, you just have to outrun the slowest guy in your party.

Yes, men are far more frequently the victims of gun crime because victims of gun crime are frequently gang members and police, which are dominated by men. Truly random shootings are very rare, that's why the numbers are skewed by gender.

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I understand that there is a distinct risk that women in general exclusively face regardless of income level face in regards to sexual harassment, but when you are talking about guns, crashing the party with "we need the guns because I want to feel safe like men" is such a remarkably uneducated opinion on a topic she clearly knows nothing about.

Even in a bit sketchy neighborhood, I don't have to be really wary of walking around at night

If you honest to god were in a situation where you lived in a neighborhood like that, your everday life would be much more violent and prone to risk than someone like Diane, a fairly privileged blogger who lives away from crime ridden areas.

because victims of gun crime are frequently gang members and police, which are dominated by me

Exactly, which is why her and her demographic take a back seat on this issue. Not only that, there is actually a "women empowerment" angle to gun violence that isn't just "rah rah go Diane", it's empowering DV victims specifically and taking away their risk of gun violence, who are much more at risk

It's extremely callous for Diane to say "having a gun makes me feel as safe as men do all the time" when in fact men are the primary victims of gun violence. She is taking an issue she knows nothing about until she fires a gun once, and then suddenly this crusade starts where she's writing blogs and going on TV. This isn't something she cares about deeply, or thought about at all. It's just selfish.

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Toby McGuire13 points · 5 days ago

It's extremely callous for Diane to say "having a gun makes me feel as safe as men do all the time" when in fact men are the primary victims of gun violence.

But I do feel pretty safe from crime on a day to day basis. That's the point. I don't think she meant that all men don't have to worry about crime, but yeah your average man is going about his day not worried about being victimized in the same way a woman does and for good reason. Diane and many women could be overpowered by basically any male they encounter. Like she could have been a bit more specific but it's overall true.

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Well it seems (or is written as) she has thought about it, but only from her specific perspective, which she then ascribes to a much wider population. Overall, your point stands.

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Can you provide a source on your last paragraph's implication that there's not an appreciable difference in randomly targeted crimes? The closest I could to the topic find was a study by the CDC that simply said that men were about 4 times as likely as women to be targeted by strangers(60% of victims vs 14%, but the total number was also higher for men, so roughly 4 times). I can't find specific numbers on what proportion of those victims are in the categories you mentioned, but I'm inclined to think that it's less than 75%.

I also don't think all crimes against gang members are able to be dismissed in the way you did, but I'm pretty used to people doing that, so I don't really want to get into it deeper.

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Vincent AdultmanOriginal Poster17 points · 5 days ago

I had to read this twice cause i thought you where commenting on actual gun law but than realized you are just being super deep in your character arch analysis.

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This episode seemed a bit lacklustre compared to the rest of the season when I watched it. I couldn't pin down why 'til I read your comment

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THIS IS ONE OF THOSE ANSWERING MACHINES10 points · 5 days ago

In fairness the whole season was weak outside of four episodes.

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11 points · 5 days ago

Yeah the Diane subplot in this always makes me feel weird, because it's so ridiculous it feels like it's supposed to be a parody but then at the end it's treated like Diane is in the right somehow?

The writers constantly trying to push Diane into the writer stand-in role even after she has long passed that stage has been feeling awkward for a while tbh but this episode is specially bad in that department.

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You pretty much hit the nail on the head but if I could add onto it, there’s one thing you neglected to mention that really jumped out at me. Gun lobbyists love exploiting the very fears Diane espouses throughout this episode in order to sell guns to the metropolitan crowd; like any good business types, fear-mongering is their bread and butter. If they wanted to seem at least seem mildly topical they should’ve had them go into a frenzy selling men guns after the female shooter, and then vice versa when another male shooter appears.

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You're reading too much into it mate, it's just a reference to the Mulford Act as another commenter noted below.

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Can someone plz summarize this for me cuz I’m kinda high and this is a lot of info

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> It's also not something that arises from a deep private belief that she has previously that spirals out of control (like the Hank Hippo episode) but she just tries a gun once and voila she's suddenly the expert and broadcasts her opinion into the world

> at no point are we given indication from the show that Diane is a bad guy

I feel like the whole point of that sequence was to show she's not the good guy. Like we should feel bad for her the lack of respect for women, but not as someone who piggybacks off of the gun issue.

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I took that entire spin as satire. Obviously, thinking that gun laws should be passed based on individual feelings and not objective evidence is ludicrous. That’s just asinine, and I thought it was self evident.

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I love that song!

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Butterscotch Horseman2 points · 4 days ago

It'd be nice if people stopped shooting each other and also (maybe this is less important but still would be pretty desirable) if people stopped being assholes to each other. What was that line from Hitchhikers? OK, I've looked it up: "And then, one Thursday, nearly two thousand years after one man had been nailed to a tree for saying how great it would be to be nice to people for a change, a girl sitting on her own in a small café in Rickmansworth suddenly realized what it was that had been going wrong all this time, and she finally knew how the world could be made a good and happy place. This time it was right, it would work, and no one would have to get nailed to anything."

But yeah that doesn't seem to be happening. Tis a pity.

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You give eggs in trying times, you dumb bird. EGGS!

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Is it me or does that turtle look like he sells propane and propane accessories?

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That episode was as heavy handed as can be, yet it was also a very valid satire that sometimes didn't even go far enough to represent todays climate regarding slacktivism of all sorts.

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Was just mentioning this episode today to friend

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I’ve never seen this show but the green thing looks like Hank Hill amirite?

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Vincent AdultmanOriginal Poster3 points · 5 days ago

i see it no neck and that boi ain't right

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Can't we just abbreviate it to T&P or something

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Anthony Jeselnik, is that you?

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An egg in these trying times?

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1 point · 5 days ago

"So, what you're saying is, you're doing nothing."

-Daniel Tosh

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1 point · 5 days ago

Can i offer you a nice egg in this tryin time?

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I should feel bad for laughing, because my mother just called me crying and saying I don't say I love you enough.

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ANTHONY JESELNIK

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PSA: Stop shooting each other. Thanks.

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1 point · 5 days ago

He looks like Hank Hill

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I live here and watched this episode for the first time just yesterday. Crazy.

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Looks like the panel for “the view”

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"Would you like an egg in this trying time"

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I feel like this is an odd go to phrase these days or is that just me ?

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Cool

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You give eggs in trying times, you dumb bird. EGGS!

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1 point · 4 days ago

TP

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Anthony Jeselnik called it back in 2015 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ib_6-qZcWvw

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Thots and prayers 🙏

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0 points · 5 days ago

"Thoughts and prayers" grandson

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0 points · 5 days ago

I want to like every comment after noticing the upvote is mr peanutbutter

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Fuck at least all of you don’t try to hide how shitty of people you are... How can people joke at a mass shooting when it hasn’t even been 24 hours since it happened? Ya it’s ridiculous this happens so constantly in the US, which should only make it even more tragic and shameful when it occurs again. You don’t have to care, or feel for the people who suffered and still are, but be fucking respectful at the very least.

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