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What's up with H3H3?

So, I kinda use to watch him a bit a few years ago, only to lose interest and move on. I had no real reason behind my lack of viewership for him, I was just honestly not as interested in him as I was FilthyFrank.

Throughout the past month or so, however, I've been hearing a lot of shit going on against him. I heard that, apparently, he made a video about being depressed for 3 months? And people are actually giving him shit for that? Yeah, apparently you can't take care of your own mental health without having people giving you shit. What a lovely community he has apparently received.

I also hear a lot of people arguing about his podcasts and how he treats guests in them... Except, to be very honest, I'm not sure what people are talking about when it comes to his "ego". Seeing his podcasts and "examples of douchbaggery", I'm not seeing any "dick move" that people are complaining about. Am I missing something? Am I seriously not noticing his "dick moves"? Are people going overboard? Is he really being a dick at all?

All-in-all, I'm honestly super confused about the sudden, massive and nearly unexplainable blacklash he's getting. The only thing I've noticed that was a bit off was when he posted a game trailer of his after 3 months of absence... But to have a whole entire shit storm like what I'm seeing? Come on.

For those wondering who I'm talking about: https://www.youtube.com/user/h3h3Productions

And what I'm talking about (this is just one example): https://youtu.be/NMNtwpZD9Ow

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Jeez! 1.9k upvotes and a boat load of comments? I guess this is a more interesting and bigger discussion in the community than I initially thought. :|

Anyways, thank you all for both the upvotes and the huge amounts of information. This has honestly been a lot more than what I would've expected... Especially for something like this. The way some people explain the situation (right down to the entire history of H3H3) is really incredible!

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Moderator of r/OutOfTheLoop, speaking officiallyScore hidden · 8 days ago · Stickied comment

Question answered, Lots of R4 (and R5) breaking comments , therefore gonna be the bad mod and lock the post.

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188 points · 9 days ago

I used to be super into H3H3 late 2015 and early 2016. I do remember why I stopped watching, and it was when Ethan would talk about politics, it never felt like he actually knew what he was talking about. After a while, it started to annoy me to the point where I simply stopped watching his content because he was turning into a person he used to criticize a lot and had a tendency to put his foot in his mouth. I know not everyone is perfect and people are prone to make mistakes, but the flaws to good content ratio was really unbalanced and made me lose interest. I've never listened to any of his podcasts except the really cringy Bill Burr one. That was difficult.

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DonutOperator on YouTube points out Ethan’s knowledge of political and social justice really well I would give it a watch.

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I think Ethan’s obsession with sjw’s is what got me to stop watching. Maybe I just outgrew his demographic though

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10.3k points · 9 days ago · edited 9 days ago

H3H3 got popular by finding weird people on YouTube and making memes out of them. Ethan had this way about him that he could poke fun at people without seeming mean spirited about it. If the people he made fun of reached out to Ethan, he would sometimes collaborate with the person adding more legend to the meme. He had a good thing going. On top of the memes, he would make independent material that would become a meme itself. Vape Nashe was global, and H3H3 was on the top of the world and growing fast.

H3H3 had some legal troubles and would often call out big corporations who were giving other YouTubers problems (example: Wall Street Journal and PewDiePie) which people seemed to enjoy. Eventually He's own legal troubles went away but the whole situation helped the community come a little closer.

Throughout this time regular videos weren't coming out as often as fans probably would have liked but Ethan and Hila had a lot going on behind the scenes. It was around this time that the negative comments in their subreddit started increasing.

YouTubers often get famous for doing one thing really good. Humans are not all one dimensional and quite often what made them famous is not their true passion. Quite often YouTubers will try and mix their own passion into their already successful channel with mixed results. H3 was about to make a huge change in content.

H3H3 alluded to the fact they were working on something that they were very excited about. The two channels they already had, had slowed down in content and as it turned out Ethan and Hila decided to get into podcasting. The community was mixed. I think this is around the time the negativity really crept in.

H3H3 podcast had a baked-in audience. Many people enjoyed Ethan and Hila's original content so much that they were willing to give them a chance. The podcast was already diving into a saturated market and the best of the best had already been sorted out (Joe Rogan, Adam Corolla etc) but despite the uphill battle it got some great numbers. Ethan and Hila have good personalities, and it somehow carved a place in the world of podcasts that to me seemed to translate well to YouTube views.

Ethan's strong point and what made him famous were heavily edited videos. Now with his podcast he was living in an unedited world and we live in an age where every word you say is heavily scrutinized. Ethan's interview tactics were scrutinized. He had a habit of sometimes interrupting guests to the point it was mentioned a lot in video comments and the subreddit. Ethan would sometimes contradict himself and his views by judging other YouTubers for things he himself had done (Using the "N" word and calling out PewDiePie for it).

Around this time I tuned out and unsubbed but the video game debacle became big news. H3H3 original channel was quiet for a long time so when a new video came out people jumped on it, only to find out it was an ad for an H3H3 mobile game.

Lately it seems H3 has been picking fights with bigger YouTubers and the podcast quality has taken a dive. I personally watched about 5-6 podcasts and while Ethan managed to get great guests, they didn't seem to have many questions pre-thought out and the off-the-cuff style often devolved into farts and shit jokes.

Ethan had some moments but in an age where we have interviewers like Sean from Hot Ones and a naturally good conversationalist like Joe Rogan, a podcast needs some quality. I think H3's intense focus on the podcast, Ethan's habit of sometimes putting his foot in his mouth, the low podcast quality, and the lack of original content helped snowball the backlash that is happening today.

Edit: Was pointed out it was WSJ not Washington Post. My bad. Fixed.

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2.3k points · 9 days ago

I can fill in where you tuned out. Right before the mobile game debacle, Ethan had a podcast with Bill Burr, who is infamously difficult to interview since he often tries to turn the tables on the interviewer. Ethan was obviously starstruck by Bill, who then made a fool out of Ethan, to the point where some viewers thought that Bill actually went easy since he saw how much Ethan was struggling.

After the mobile game debacle, Ethan posted a video where he clearly and explicitly talked about his depression. Before then, he only hinted at it on the podcast, which by this time a lot of his main channel viewers have dropped due to a slump they were having. This did not sit well with the community, where a vocal portion assumed he was using it as an excuse for "selling out" or "being greedy" with his mobile game. However, it was shown that Ethan already had a prescription to anti-depressants, but had reservations about taking them.

After this, Ethan went on Tom Segura and Christina P's podcast, where he talked more about his depression. While not confirmed, some think that since both Tom and Christina where big advocates for therapy, managed to convince Ethan to take his anti-depressants and go to therapy.

After that podcast, Ethan started posting videos on his main channel again, with the last two receiving very positive reception from the community. While his podcast still has mixed reviews in his community, he has become less cynical and negative in his topics and commentary, which I hope is a sign that he is starting to kick his depression.

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1.1k points · 9 days ago · edited 9 days ago

I think one thing missing from this analysis is the fallout from the Adpocalypse. There has been a serious reduction in content from "YouTube Comedians" like H3 since YouTube's hardline demonitization policies came into effect. H3 was one of the luckier ones because they managed to pivot into the podcast as their old videos were being demonitized.

But now, the podcast is probably a much more reliable revenue stream. Making classic H3 videos runs the risk of getting whacked by YouTube demonitization, effectively wasting (from a profit perspective) however long they put into making the video. In contrast, the podcast offers them a comparatively simple way to produce multiple hours of content per week and then break those larger segments into smaller clips for additional YouTube cheddar.

Basically, Ethan came to prominence doing whatever he wanted, but he has been substantially reined in. He can't do what he used to do. H3 goof videos aren't going to pay the bills anymore. They could still make them for fun, but it became their business a long time ago.

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779 points · 9 days ago

I think you're right on this one.

One of my other favorite, abeit very raw youtubers, was idubzzz (also a semi-frequent collaborator of Ethan in -16, -17), but his content became more friendly after the adpocalypse.

And now, it's almost non-existent.

Youtube is very much going back to the TV model in internet form--and they want it to be Disney Big & Family Friendly, rather than what made them big in the first place: Original Content With a Few Pirated Videos here and there.

Also, Anime MV and 240p music videos of Linkin Park.

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434 points · 9 days ago

Also, Anime MV and 240p music videos of Linkin Park.

That came out of nowhere and hit so close to home

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Naruto vs Sasuke Linkin Park - Numb AMV (HD)

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Dragonbal GT AMV

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39 points · 9 days ago

Pokémon XD Gale of Darkness and Evanescance Bring Me to Life AMVs.

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Marik from yugioh with animal ive become by three days grace amv

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not sure if my being this out of the loop actually takes effort6 points · 9 days ago

Oh you watched that too?

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142 points · 9 days ago

Youtube is very much going back to the TV model in internet form--and they want it to be Disney Big & Family Friendly, rather than what made them big in the first place: Original Content With a Few Pirated Videos here and there.

Maybe, but you can also argue that they're doing it out of necessity as well. After all, it is the advertisers who were pulling out of edgy content, and YouTube can't operate without advertisers willing to show ads on videos. It's either crack down on that content or watch as the platform slowly fails entirely due to a loss of ad revenue.

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194 points · 9 days ago

youtube fucked themselves really, they had plenty of leverage in all of that stuff. The adpocolypse was simple big brands trying to get out of paying for the spots. They had a deal where they had to advertise a bid broader than they might have liked, since you rarely go on youtube and watch just one video it became a bit of overkill. They knew they could get the quality exposure of their brand for cheaper by putting preasure on youtube, and for some reason the people at the top of youtube just bend over and did not see the bluff. These are brands that are happy slapping their brand on top of genocide, but somehow, someone saying fuck, on youtube is where they draw the line.

That should have been a 10 minute phone call telling them to fuck off and pay. Start your "morality" outrage in qatar then come back.

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133 points · 9 days ago

It's not like Coke or Nike need YouTube ads to he known.

YouTube needs to tread carefully. The Wild West of the Internet is no more. We are basically in the Red Dead Redemption story arc of the Internet

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I miss how it used to be

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22 points · 9 days ago

me too man : (

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You mean when people use to make videos for fun instead of greed?

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When people did everything for fun. Some one took the time to upload an album to tpb for all of us. Or created limewire for the sake of sharing. I always thought that these people could of made a lot of money with the stuff they were doing. Those days are over sadly.

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54 points · 9 days ago · edited 9 days ago

They do though, it is their positioning to be everywhere, so ofcourse they need to be on youtube. When you advertise the way coke or nike does it is not to be "known".

Youtube didn't need to thread carefully, still dont have to. They got one of the biggest media platforms online. Somehow they fucked themselves so royally without any reason, it's mind boggling really. You can litterally see gore on facebook followed by a coke commercial. There was no reason for the adpocolypse other than big brands saw an opening and youtube being retarded as ever didn't see the bluff.

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15 points · 9 days ago

How do you know how much leverage YouTube had in closed business discussions with other big multi-national companies?

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31 points · 9 days ago

Exactly. People want to hate on Youtube, but advertisers are skiddish and the second they hear a video with their ad on it is controversial at all, it's much easier for them to pull the ad rather than risk negative backlash for promoting something bad.

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What is adpocalypse and how did youtube comedians got affected by it's hardline?

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50 points · 9 days ago

I only know the general overview but basically, YouTubers get money from the advertisers that get shown in their videos. This is what YouTube calls monetization. To be monetized, you have to meet a certain set of criteria for your videos. This is to ensure that companies that advertise on YouTube videos aren't shown next to content that might end up being controversial and harm the company that was advertising on it.

The problem is, YouTube videos aren't reviewed by humans. Waaayyyy too many videos get uploaded for them to be reasonably be checked by humans (for context, about 300 hours of video is uploaded to YouTube every minute). Instead, YouTube uses an algorithm that checks the videos as they go up. Because computers don't have human intelligence, the algorithms running on them aren't perfect (Relevant XKCD). So ever since YouTube monetization was a thing, they have always have had false positives or false negatives where occasionally, a video that shouldn't be monetized is allowed in, and a video that should have been isn't.

For years, people have accepted this as a fact of life. While it wasn't completely random, it's like doing a dice roll every time you upload where if you roll higher than, let's say a two, you got lucky and got through, and equal or lower than that, you don't get paid.

Fast forward to 2017, YouTube's algorithms failed to detect them (which is common, really) and some advertisements from large companies got shown on some racist and extremist videos, and even some videos linked to some terrorism organizations. Unfortunately, some news organization caught these ads in those videos and ran them with the headlines along the lines of "These major brands you know and love are funding these kinds of videos through YouTube and showing them to your kids." (Keep in mind that "funding" is a stretch here as other than a few of them, and usually the less extreme but still offensive ones, these videos tend to get very few views and advertising money is fairly small and most of them wouldn't have reached the minimum required revenue to be sent a paycheck by YouTube anyway.)

These news stories made their way around the internet and some people complained to the advertisers directly to show them where their money is going. Partly because of rising political tensions, these companies felt like anything could be a scandal at this point and they weren't taking any chances. They pulled their ads from YouTube leaving YouTube with very few options of ads to put on the content on their platform. So, trying to show their advertisers that they're doing something about it, they heightened their algorithm's sensitivity. Going back to the non-random-but-still-sort-of-chancey dice roll analogy, where you used to get paid if you roll anything higher than a two, they bumped their minimum up to five. These resulted in a lot of YouTube videos being demonetized where anything just slightly offensive, whether in the title, the audio, or the video itself, gets demonetized and creators weren't getting paid. I don't know if comedians were generally more affected, but I wouldn't be surprised, since comedy usually tries to push those social boundaries of offensiveness all the time.

YouTube updated their content policy on requirements to be monetized and people were not happy about it saying that the new guidelines were too vague, and could be interpreted in lots of different ways. (which, funnily enough, is basically how the algorithm has been this whole time) and people were still getting demonetized but YouTube needs their advertisers back and eventually, they did but YouTube's still being very careful.

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10 points · 9 days ago

Big companies like Nike, Coca Cola, etc paying Google to shows ads started getting pissy that their ads were shown on videos with controversial content and pulled out of Youtube. Google was losing many millions of USD on it.

Google's response was to introduce a system where they demonetized videos with controversial content. Their definition of 'controversial' was very broad and subjective, and a lot of popular Youtubers fell into this category and their source of income was cut. They were very disappointed and vocal about it, but it didn't make a difference.

In short, advertisers dictate who is allowed to make money on Youtube. Before the adpocalipse everyone who was popular was making a good living from their videos.

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Super late but your right. He stated on one of the podcasts that his CPM had dropped by like 70 percent and that even their worst expectations for adpocalypse had a CPM higher than that. The sponsors on the podcast are a huge reason why his channel isn't dead in the water.

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Fuck, you guys are doin good!

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I think Bill tried to keep it interesting and then just gave up, it was brutal.

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Baby, you got so much knowledge

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Baby yo smaht

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174 points · 9 days ago

Go buy yo momma a house. Go buy yo whole family houses.

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51 points · 9 days ago

You loyal

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you is kind, you is smaht, you is important

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23 points · 9 days ago

I'd meet him in a gazebo

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The thing I most like about this explanation is it acknowledges the humanity of Internet personalities.

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132 points · 9 days ago

"Often devolved into farts and shit jokes". Understatement of the fucking century. I kill a lot of time listening to podcasts and liked the H3H3 one well enough at when I first started listening to it, but holy fuck every podcast has like 30 fucking minutes devoted to talking about taking a shit or wiping your ass. It was kinda funny the first time. Meh the second time. After that it just became incredibly annoying and honestly hard to listen to

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Yeah, he's a seriously shit interviewer.

You can tell in the one with Bo Burnham that he's just fed up.

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63 points · 9 days ago

I remember the podcast with Bill Burr where he tries to get him to talk about personal details about his family, and Bill instantly shuts him down. I feel bad for H3H3 in the sense they tried to do something new and bold, but they don't have the skills necessary to support the podcast because they don't know how to ask questions and do on-the-spot discussions with people from all walks of life.

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92 points · 9 days ago

The Bill Burr interview was when I really understood he had no fucking clue about anything and was forming off the cuff generalizations born of ignorance.

I can't remember the specific details but it was when Bill was speaking about his daughter and Ethan said some profoundly stupid and weird things. I have two daughters and I was taken aback at how foolish and ignorant he sounded speaking about or on what Bill was.

I turned it off after that because there was no way it was going to get better. Apparently I wasn't wrong which is a shame.

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102 points · 9 days ago

I remember one podcast he went on some weird "women just like to feel dominated" rant while his guest Joji cringed.

You know it's bad when Filthy Frank thinks it cringy.

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https://youtu.be/YJQMJ1L56oI

His face says it all.

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Unintentional comedy gold

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And I thought the Bill Burr interview was bad....Christ

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65 points · 9 days ago · edited 8 days ago

I'm watching this death of H3 thing on YouTube and I am astonished at the things he is saying to his guests and the way he treats people. It is unbelievable. And him repeating incel bullshit is the icing on a shit cake. I can't watch him anymore.

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https://youtu.be/2t5v5S0UuOg

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I'm not a real fan of h3h3 (not for any reason, I don't think I'm their target audience) but I watched the interview with Captain Disillusion... I'm super happy with the boost in subscribers it got the Captain but I swear I thought all three of them were going to fall asleep during that podcast. It was just so dull in every way, even the way Ethan asks questions is just dull.

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Fuckin' truth. My girlfriend pointed this out. Why does Ethan need to talk about taking a shit so much?

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29 points · 9 days ago

I think it's just a fall back at this point. It went over well the first time and now whenever hes concerned a podcast isnt going well he kinda falls back to that, hoping it will get people to laugh

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It's really rough. I've been watching H3H3 since basically the beginning. Over the past year I've completely stopped. My girlfriend and I used to get so fucking pumped when we saw a podcast or a new episode, but that quickly devolved into me not even wanting to show her the videos. The newness of it just wore off so quickly, and our love of H3H3 wasn't enough to keep us watching. Especially when they aren't putting out quality content.. I don't think I laughed at an H3 video or podcast until this most recent one, which got me chuckling hard.

He's also been accidentally spouting some alt-light rhetoric, and that shit just grinds on me. I realize he's just uneducated, but holy shit. These are tidbits and facts that I fell for when I was like 14!

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without seeming mean spirited about it.

The one video of his I saw it sure seemed mean-spirited. He and his partner tore into a geeky guy's video, but took the time to rag on his clothes - it sounded so petty-high-school that I've never had the urge to watch any other of his vids.

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This also makes me wonder why people are confused about hsi fanbase giving him shit for his depression, he build his fanbase by making fun of "weirdos" and that's just the kind of people you attract.

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103 points · 9 days ago

Big shock a bunch of emotionally insecure people got into make drama vids making fun of other emotionally vulnerable people.

Leafy, GradeAUnderA, H3, they all are the same socially awkward kids who felt just a bit bigger online.

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16 points · 9 days ago

His older stuff is more on the money, like the famous JRHNBR video. Just finding really weird and obscure videos to comment on.

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149 points · 9 days ago

I envy your ability to recollect countless h3 facts strewn over a very long period of time, then package it all together so nice and tightly in a few concise paragraphs that clearly describes the issue in a way that everyone can understand.

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I call this one the 'poop-loop'.62 points · 9 days ago

Man, I remember being a fan of H3H3 way back in 2012 when he was just smoking and talking about Shrek. Everything feels so different now.

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It was around the time that he had JonTron on the show and glossed over the racist stuff he said that I realized H3H3 was pretty much done. I don't follow YouTube drama and hanging out with a bunch of alt-righter internet bros gets annoying after a while so it was time to unsub.

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I call this one the 'poop-loop'.172 points · 9 days ago

Ethan got famous because he's a funny guy and he seems to have a good heart. That doesn't mean any of his opinions should hold more merit than a random dude on the street. The more I listened to him seriously talk about his opinions the more I realized that he pretty much had no idea what he was talking about in a lot of respects and his opinions honestly weren't any more deeper than your average uneducated stoner rando. But since he's got millions of followers, his takes are followed like gospel by tons of people and his ideas are taken very seriously.

What really tipped the scale and made me decide to stop watching him was when he spent like a full 45 minutes riffing about some social justice warrior's video where they say smoking weed is racist. It's a stupid vid, and the person who made it is an idiot, but Ethan kept going on and on about it like that was typical for people on the left.

Or the time he got called transphobic for some dumb joke, and instead of moving on with his life like an adult, he made an entire video about how people get offended too easy and he refuses to apologize, when nobody cared but like 4 people in the first place.

I realized he just became another airhead brogressive type of guy, who will bitch on about something he's never put any real thought into - and because he's famous, people think his takes actually have more value than the average person. He's the type of alt-lite who gets people thinking anyone who cares about social issues is an obese blue haired demigirl foxkin.

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118 points · 9 days ago

Personally I liked H3H3 when they made fun of drama, but somewhere along the way it felt like they became the drama and that's when I lost interest.

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131 points · 9 days ago

The moment you "make fun of the drama" you're already apart of it.

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109 points · 9 days ago

They attracted a stupid amount of alt-right and gamergate'y type fans around the time they continually focused on "Feminist" videos and the WSJ-Pewdiepie debacle. I always thought it was trying to recapture the magic that was Hugh Mungus but it just felt like it was so reaching at points that the quality went down.

But man the change in the H3H3 sub was noticable where it went from being a bunch of people shitposting H3 memes like some weak grade /r/jontron to starting to feel more like /r/KotakuInAction.

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49 points · 9 days ago

The core of H3's audience was always toxic. He was right up there with Leafy and GradeA when it came to building a community based around "roasting" random people who didn't want a beef with them. The only difference with H3 was him changing quickly when YouTube started cracking down on bullying. Not because of a sudden change of heart, but to protect his income.

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This is definitely a significant component of it that other people haven't really touched on.

No one has any way of knowing what's in his heart of hearts in terms of whether he is truly one of those "anti-SJW" types or just realized that it was a good way to get a lot of views, but it's obvious that the quality of his videos took a nosedive around the same time that he started focusing every single one on either bashing SJW strawmen or getting involved in petty YouTube drama.

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H3H3 original channel was quiet for a long time so when a new video came out people jumped on it, only to find out it was an ad for an H3H3 mobile game.

Don't you guys have phones?

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14 points · 9 days ago

One thing I would like to add from this is the fact that he used to do his share of research before diving into things or joking or goofing about them but since he made a podcast talking about t series where he literally did no research and acted if it's a 3rd grade media company kinda made me not like the guy so much. I mean the guy behind the camera knew more about it then Ethan. Hila was being reasonable and stopping Ethan from being full on moron about the topic. I loved his cs go lotto video, but all this is makes me think he's just picking up trending topics and talking about them from his ass without even caring to know what's actually going on.

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He is experiencing the final stage of a good youtube channel: decline. It happens to every popular youtuber, and it's just the final stage of its life. That's why it's important not to get upset about these things, but to find another good youtuber. Live in the moment, if you know what I mean.

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Every channel has their reason for this,

but I think for them in particular is a change of priorities.

He's stated that he never wanted to have a regular office job, even quitting a great one to do youtube.

Yet, I've never heard them say it was the thing they wanted to do--it was just something they took a chance on.

Meaning, it was more of an experiment with no long-term vision.

And now, they're having a kid, which means YouTube will be less of a priority--specially less of the style it used to be.

Family changes people.

And it's safe to assume, that as Ethan continues with therapy, becomes a father--Hila becomes a mother--they'll both mature much faster than ever seen in their public lives.

Life changes.

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I dunno, pewds is still going strong.

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48 points · 9 days ago

Pewdiepie reached such a high level that he'll never fade out. That's why his content is so different right now, he does whatever he pleases.

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19 points · 9 days ago

I'm impressed how he managed to break the usual "good youtube channel" moto.

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(example: Washington Post and PewDiePie)

Small nit pick. Wasn't it the Wall Street Journal?

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Fixed. Thank you.

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I think your right. Joe rogan definitely plans out his podcasts, you see him pressing guests All the time to answer questions they avoid, he re iterates on points of interest too but he does it seamlessly. H3h3 just kinda wings it but I like watching some of the highlights from time to time

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He also got heavily criticized because he defended Roseanne when her racist tweets came out

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Thank you for so succinctly and eloquently explaining a situation that I've never heard of.
You are good at writing, that was a very interesting read. Lastly, thank you for knowing how to use paragraphs. <3

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Ethan and Hilary must have the money to have a production staff to make their podcast better. The thing about Howard Stern is that he has a staff that does pre-interviews and writes questions for him. He should try and make it more polished. I still watch it tho

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Watch the jontron interview. Its so uncomfortable jontron says he doesnt want to talk about the fall of his youtube channel but h3 just keeps pushin.

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259 points · 9 days ago

Watch the Bill Burr podcast then. It's one thing to fail with Jontron since he is a memeyoutuber aswell, but Bills interview was just plain bad and its clear than H3H3 wasnt prepared for his level at all.

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99 points · 9 days ago

Didn't know this existed. How do you fuck up a podcast interview with an established professional comedian? Please tell me ol' billy boy managed to at least salvage the podcast a little bit.

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119 points · 9 days ago · edited 8 days ago

Ol’ billy Beans went easy on him. Ethan was clearly star struck and said some stupid things.

“It sounds like you really love your daughter.”

Wat?

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eyyyyy ol billy buttfuck!! ahhah

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He started out saying he was a huge Burr fan and then proceeded too ask personal questions about Burrs family, when Burr told him "no dude there's too many psycho's out there" (typical fucking Burr) Ethan got offended. He obviously knew nothing about Burr except a few things from Google and had no idea how he would respond. That was the video that made me unsubscribe, he was offended at baseline fucking Billy bald balls.

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Old Billy red tits is NOTORIOUS for runninng rings around interviewers. Ethan never stood a chance.

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Absolutely! Conan gets nervous having him on lol

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39 points · 9 days ago

He did as usual and the funny thing is that Hila carried the conversation and saved Ethan on many occasions.

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favorite comment on that video:

"When you skip to the final boss"

or something to that extent. He needed at least 2 years+ of podcasting/interviewing experience before being able to stand toe to toe with Bill. He was just sooooo out of his league.

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Yeah h3 really comes across as an awkward autist in that interview. Hilla doesn't come across as very interesting either, I guess I just never saw the appeal. They're both very awkward people.

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128 points · 9 days ago

I listened to almlost all of them and stopped a couple weeks ago because all thats left of the podcast is literally "how do you wipe", "do you smell your own farts", "do you eat your own buggers"..

I mean its not a terrible topic for 1 podcast but its seems to have been the main focus for several of them.

Anything else he talks about he is so highly uninformed its just annoying to listen to. I still like them and I hope it will improve again but I'm definitely taking a break.

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Its only great when Big Money Salvia is in the podcast

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30 points · 9 days ago

I find that the official podcast does this joke way better with their: "Whats your favorite personal mastertabori story" question that will always get asked to a new guest.

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21 points · 9 days ago

That’s cause when you watch the official podcast, you expect crude humor and embarrassing stories. It has a theme, sticks with it, and does it well.

H3H3 podcast doesn’t know what it wants to be. It wants to try and be a deep dive into a persons career and wants to be a meme podcast with crude humor the next, worst part is that they do neither of these things well.

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You either die pointing out the cringe, or live long enough to become the cringe.

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6 points · 8 days ago

You know what. Its a nice morning, got my breaky. Lets listen to h3h3. You're twitter pollin what? Im trying to eat, nope.

Hey just doin some busy work at work. Lets play h3h3. Dear god, If someone walks in here they'll think im deranged.

Eh I think you get my point. But hey. Now I know people fart in their fucking hands to smell it. I'll watch Joe Rogan thanks.

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47 points · 9 days ago · edited 9 days ago

H3H3 (Ethan) is without a doubt, the worst podcast host out there. He actually thought he could just make a stage, talk to people and call it a podcast. Even from his first episode were he wouldn’t let vsauce finish his very interesting and insightful thoughts all the way to bill bur.

It just feels like they’ve gotten too big for their own good. After Vape nashe and the CSGO gambling video (which they didn’t even do the research on, it was mostly honor the call) they thought they were untouchable, until they started posting call out videos were they actually did their own research with wrong information, or start a podcast without knowing anything about what it takes to be a good podcast host

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I think this is the objective outside opinion. He is simply not a good podcast host.

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You took the words out of my mouth. One that stuck out to me was when he spoke about NoFap. He had absolutely no clue what he was talking about to the point that it was insufferable.

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To be honest they just "react" to whatever clip or news article they are presenting. It's not quality content, it's not background-check-and-thorough-investigation content, it's just an average response to mostly average things. People that love their personality tune in and have fun due to more content of their favourite youtuber.

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Basically ever since he began the podcast, he has dabbled in subjects he doesn't seem to understand and started seriously talking about politics, which has kinda lost the fans that were there for the memes and reaction videos he built his reputation on.

The backlash didn't just start recently. The first big backlash against H3H3 was September last year when PewDiePie said the N word on stream and Ethan stated on his podcast "He was so comfortable using that word" when he himself repeatedly used it on the podcast with iDubbbz, to the point where iDubbbz, who one of his trademark memes has the N word in it, even pointed out that he was using it a little liberally.

Nobody's giving him shit for being depressed, he has genuinely become who he used to rally against. The podcast really signifies a downhill turn in their content.

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596 points · 9 days ago

With the politics stuff, one of the biggest issues isn't just that the audience doesn't want it, But that he is not very informed politically. Not enough to talk politics on as large of a platform as his podcast.

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523 points · 9 days ago · edited 9 days ago

I remember unsubbing in an instant when him and boogie started jerking themselves off about how centrist they are and how both sides are to blame. It sounded so slimy and both him and boogie have so many deep character flaws and are so inherently apolitical characters, them stating shit like that was really an insta unsub.

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24 points · 8 days ago

They don’t call him Boogie1488 for no reason.

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Boogie "The Holocaust had good aspects" 1488

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Also Ethan spreading Nazi propaganda and boogie being such a "centrist" that he couldn't bring it upon himself to say the Holocaust was outright bad. Both cunts tbh.

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Plus when he said people who supported marriage equality were being too extremist and not tolerant of people who don't want gay people to have the same rights as everyone else.

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76 points · 9 days ago

That has to be a dry joke, right? The ridiculousness of it is too much, too obvious.

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Bearing in mind that satire is officially dead... Yeah I think he was being serious.

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Legit laughed out loud. The most ridiculous thing I've read today.

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Ethan also said "all Catholics must be in on child molestation, all of them" so it's not really surprising.

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16 points · 9 days ago

What’s this about nazi propaganda? I haven’t watched much of h3 in around a year

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He went on about the Dresden bombings, claiming that 300,000 people were killed and that it happened after the war. Those lies began as Nazi propaganda.

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9 points · 9 days ago

Oh that’s right. Was that in the episode with boogie as well?

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126 points · 9 days ago

Yeah exactly, Its such a dumb idea to believe that the right way is always in the middle politically. Things are not that basic at all. Both of the are radical centrists.

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170 points · 9 days ago

Boogie literally blamed Anita Sarkeesian for Charlottesville. The woman makes fucking FRESHMAN LEVEL FEMINIST CRITICISM VIDEOS OF VIDEO GAMES.

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I worked in a factory way back in 2003 for a summer where they played Glenn Beck every day and this was exactly how he ramped up. Before the Iraq war he was more like a fun topics DJ and not that political, but then he fell for a lot of the propaganda around saying people that opposed the war were unpatriotic. I remember him getting teary and started crying one time because he equated a person not wanting troops to go die with hating troops somehow. I think he was mostly sincere and it was kind a persuasive if you had no other information. But after a while, you realize he’s never looking into anything in depth and I’d listen to NPR on the way home where they would clear something up by talking to experts and thinking “geez. He complained about this for like an hour when he could have just googled it and found out his premise was wrong from the start.”

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68 points · 9 days ago

And people are praising Joe Rogan in most of these comments, although he does exactly this on a larger platform, while platforming significantly more insidious and disingenuous people?

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58 points · 9 days ago

yeah, Rogan's podcast has essentially become a platform for the right-wing outrage machine. didn't dunking on SJWs go out of style years ago?

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17 points · 8 days ago

Dunno, Candace Owens got obliterated in his podcast when she was on. Both sides get it, anti-sjw is just more "cool" with the kids so it gets more views.

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Thank Christ at least some people acknowledge he's an IDW-adjacent hack. And it's unfortunately still very much in style, with increasing support from shitty pseudo-intellectuals/academics from places like Quillette and the like.

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I don't get why people hate Joe so much. The guy's probably the best interviewer on the podcast platform tht I've seen. People claim that he forces his own opinion down everyone's throat, which is true but only with regards to shit like ufc and apes, and he does let his guests state their opinions. On the opposite side, I've heard people talk shit about him for not being informed enough on certain obscure issues to challenge his guests, which is unreasonable as you can't be informed on everything and it would be a shitshow on his podcast if he spent 3 hours arguing with his guests on issues that most of his viewers don't care about. (like the steven crowder fuckup of 2017). Most people whining about joe watch the edited down clips of his podcast anyway.


the only problem with Joe that I have is that he relies a lot on the guest to be able to be engaging for 3 hours and sometimes it doesn't pay off.

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Yeah he had Jordan Peterson on several times, and JP just fed him propaganda that he ate up and regurgitated for weeks to come. He almost became a meninist.

The two things he discussed most were social issues, which he doesn’t understand, and the problems of working for YouTube, which WE don’t understand. So at that point, he’s not meeting his audience in any way and it all began to collapse there. He liked the freedom of being able to express himself but I think he got lost in that freedom and never really got back to his audience.

He evens says on the podcast all the time that editing is his best skill, which he doesn’t get to use in the podcast. He should’ve listened to himself when he was basically saying “this isn’t my best work”. I think the fact that it was more consistent income with ad reads, subscribers, and less confusing monetization rules attracted him. Unfortunately his material (when not political or YouTube discourse) requires you WATCH the content if for example he’s reacting to a video. It’s not conducive to an audio-based format, and I don’t want to watch a 2 hour podcast for 20 mins worth of content.

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basically, if you're the sort of person who uses the N word to be "edgy", you have no right to criticise others for doing it (which makes it perfectly okay for Jim Sterling to call them out for it, all he does is fuck Pogs)

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Jim Sterling is one of the only gaming news people who I actually give credence when he makes political statements. He actually seems to have a moral compass and generally understands what he's talking about instead of just being mad at the SJWs lol

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well, he does like the fighter class, he was playing an Eldritch Knight and helped the party kill an Owlbear...

Jim is great, I loved how angry the anti-SJW's got with him for mocking them with Commentocracy

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The anti-SJW crowd is extremely ridiculous, I wish more youtubers made fun of them because it's incredibly funny.

Unfortunately a lot of youtube is the anti-SJW crowd.

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check out hbomberguy, ContraPoints, Three Arrows and Shaun, they're the Arch Cultural Marxists of YouTube

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Currently watching a video of Shaun breaking down why TL;DR is an idiot haha

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can't get enough of skull boys dry whit

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been binge watching shaun's videos the last few days, that dude is great

and contrapoints is always a good time too

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129 points · 9 days ago

He really isn't informed or qualified to be involved in news. And that's what his podcast is, it's a news show.

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And I seriously believe that part of why the podcast is quite bad is that Hila is just not meant to be on a podcast as a host or co-host. She is shy awkward, she doesn't have the voice. She is just not meant to be on a show where your voice matters.

He cannot make a good podcast where one of the hosts is just there because she made videos with him and old fans liked her.

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good luck firing your wife

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267 points · 9 days ago · edited 9 days ago

I'm just as out of the loop as you, but reading these comments made me realise why I haven't watched H3H3 in awhile. The podcasts are boring. I'll catch a clip every now and then, but all in all I'm not interested in what Post Malone has to say. Not to say I think any less of them as people like some are saying. It's just not my cup of tea.

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106 points · 9 days ago

When they were drinking beers and grabbing a smoke on the podcast, at first I was, "Damn, this is unprofessional as fuck. This is going to get lame fast."

Then, I said:

I'm probably being an old hag who's bitchin' about today's youth. Give it a chance.

Sure enough, that episode was mostly shit.

There's a reason why most conversations/interviews are done away from food, away from vices, and away from distractions:

If I want to see dudes drink and smoke---I never want to see that, actually. Unless I'm partaking, in which case, I'm not seeing them--I'm interacting.

"Shooting the shit" rarely, rarelyyyy makes good content.

And that's what most of the podcasts with Malone seem to be.

Which is great for them, they genuinely seem to have a good time--but it's not good content, honestly.

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"Shooting the shit" content can work if they're doing something to act as a crutch.

Plenty of video game streams are 2 or more people chilling out on a couch and talking about whatever comes to mind. If the conversation hits a lull, they can always draw attention back to the game.

So yeah, bad setup on their part.

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The main Rooster Teeth podcast is just a group of people sitting in a circle talking about whatever. I don't know how they do it but it works, for me at least.

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575 points · 9 days ago

I don’t have the time to give a detailed answer - but until somebody else comes along (since you only just submitted the thread) he has basically become the kind of person he used to speak out against.

Specifically regarding the ‘depression’ thing - I’m sure Ethan probably has depression, but that’s not my place to judge - if you watch the last 3 “Apology” Videos from H3H3 they are all exactly the same, even down to bringing in the dog.

People also don’t seem to like the podcasts as much as actual content.

I like Ethan and Hila but I understand the backlash.

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351 points · 9 days ago · edited 9 days ago

His videos were entertaining, the podcast is crap IMO. I've listened to around half a dozen episodes and my impression is that they are both way out of their element.

Ethan's opinions are not well thought out, he is not an interesting personality in real time, and he is surprisingly unfunny considering how he became successful.

He doesn't make good points or ask good questions, it seems like he isn't insightful or knowledgeable about much of anything, and the guests have more control over the conversation than he does. He is just some random dude who for some reason can book superstars like Bill Burr and Bob Sagat.

That's my opinion, I don't dislike the guy and I can't blame him for trying something new, but now that I know how little is going on in his head my opinion of him has changed. If he released a new video I would likely watch it, but the podcast isn't for me.

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100 points · 9 days ago

Ethan's opinions are not well thought out, he is not an interesting personality in real time, and he is surprisingly unfunny considering how he became successful.

I like Ethan, but this is painfully true. I had to unfollow him on twitter because of exactly what you're describing here.

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His politics are dogshit, he’s the absolute epitome of the “I’m an enlightened centrist because I don’t actually know anything about politics and I want to be able to agree with any individual point somebody makes”. He has no backbone in any interview whatsoever, and his knowledge of current events and the guests he’s interviewing pretty much come exclusively from titles he saw on r/news and The Philip DeFranco show. He can have someone as conservative and controversial as Jordan Peterson on and agree with every point he makes, then he’ll have someone as liberal as Bo Burnam or really any major YouTuber and agree with every single point they make too.

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He unintentionally spread Nazi propaganda just trying to troll the libs, he's an idiot.

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132 points · 9 days ago

They got way too successful way too quickly and are clearly in way over their heads. Their fan base blew up in a short period of time and has a strange mix of people who followed them before the blow up, people who found them from their biggest videos, and more recent people who found them from being a fan of one of their podcast guests.

Turns out it’s super hard to please everyone when your fan base is divided on what kind of content they want you to put out. And they’re not really equipped to handle a high profile podcast with A-list guests. Ethan is too quick to make dumb comments, doesn’t plan out the conversations or give his guests talking points, he doesn’t research anything and clearly gets all his information from other Youtubers, and Hila is basically just silently being uncomfortable in the background. They’re just not the type of people who can host a long form podcast but they keep pressing on with it.

It’s all just kind of unfortunate because they’re definitely good people who used to love what they did when they were making comedy videos but now they’re being pulled around in all kinds of directions with no clear path forward and near constant negativity from an overall shitty fan base. There’s a lot more to it but in general I’d say it’s almost an internet cautionary tale, be wary of success and popularity because people are shitty and fickle and it’s hard to keep creative momentum going at the pace that an internet audience demands.

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I think its more that they were doing great before the adpocalypse(moved to a new city/new house) and had the youtube money yanked out from under them. They had to scramble to make up for it and threw spaghetti at the walls to see what stuck enough to pay the mortgage.

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With their guests controlling the show you're completely right. It's so noticeable how you sometimes just forget the the podcast is actually about h3h3 and not just a faceless interview show

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True except for the moments in pretty much every podcast where a guest is trying to say something but he talks over them- shutting them down completely- to say what he wants to say and never follows up by asking "sorry, what were you saying?"

I cringe so hard every time.

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Those are bad but it's even worse when the guest does the exact same thing to him and he just submits.

The most cringe is when the guest obviously disagrees with what he said but doesn't say anything

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for some reason can book superstars like Bill Burr

He booked Burr based on Bert Kreischer's recommendation. I think that was actually part of the issue. Burr seemed to be doing it because Burt said he should and was still skeptical about it.

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8 points · 9 days ago

The dog bit was pathetic. He’s made fun of T Martin for doing that!

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hour and a half?! got a tldr?

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It goes over the moments that led to the death of h3h3, which include lying, being a hypocrite, and generally being an asshole

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71 points · 9 days ago

Ethan needs to spend more time researching for his podcast because it makes him a lot of money and he releases them often. The more he keeps at this it's going to ruin his channel.

More research, scripted ads to speed it up, make the guests feel comfortable and let them speak.

That's about it

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There's a bit more to it. He argues that Ethan has a nasty side to him. Some examples he gives:

  • His podcast with JohnTron. Ethan disregards John not wanting to talk about drama from the past.

  • His belittlement of ShoeNice, who is an alcoholic, despite Ethan previously arguing it was wrong to target vulnerable people.

  • His podcast with William Osman. The video author argues William was only given a short time on the podcast because he doesn't have as many subscribers/fame as other podcast guests.

He uses these examples, and others, to argue that Ethan has become a hypocrite. The video argues Ethan is only in it for the money and has forgotten what made him popular in the first place.

The video also argues Ethan is unable to take criticism.

I think the vid makes a convincing case on the whole.

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Yes! Just saw this video today. I’ve been real early viewer of his before he blew up completely. This video really just made me realize how bad he’s gotten.

I hope he really can go back to normal. He still has it in him, his last video goofing on TLC was hilarious. And their brand Teddy Fresh is real cool.

I’m just imagining that if that bitch Matt Hoss hadn’t sued them, they’d still probably be relatively same as ever. But ever since that scare, they didn’t want to continue with the risk.

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Your mama is in the loop.39 points · 9 days ago

Was looking for someone to link this. Such a great video.

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182 points · 9 days ago

You can tell you’re out of the loop because you said it’s seemingly undeserved and out of nowhere.

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143 points · 9 days ago

Yea this is blatantly made just to defend h3 not because hes out of the loop

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83 points · 9 days ago

OP's clear bias really messes up his post

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Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that. "Yeah so why is H3 being targeted, I haven't watched his videos in a while but he's definitely innocent, so why is he targeted waaaaahh"

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Was this post written by Ethan?

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this should be top comment

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That's really nice of you

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48 points · 9 days ago

I unsubscribe because of the constant influx of potty humor as if we are all 5 year old boys. video after video titled things like do you smell your farts or do you smell your period. You've got to be f****** kidding me.

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16 points · 9 days ago

I'll really end it all if he has another interesting guest on his podcast and all he has to bring to the conversation is trash on Logan Paul or ask them how they wipe their ass.

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15 points · 9 days ago

agreed. I never got into the stuff that made them famous so starting on their podcasts with a neutral foot, it seemed like they didn't have a knack for it. I know interruptions are natural because when you're in the moment, it doesn't seem clashy but it's different for the audience. however, if the content or guest is interesting, u dont mind the interruptions to an extent (steebeeweebee is king of interruption podcasting).

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soooo he's another one of these "anti-SJW" YouTubers? you know, I get the feeling there are more snowflakes outraged at what some "SJW" with 5 twitter said than there are "SJW's"

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42 points · 9 days ago

yeah he's been a classic "rant about prominent 'SJW' stuff" youtuber

sometimes it's reasonable, like him taking down the whole appropriation dress thing (which actual progressives mostly agreed was fucking stupid). but other times he (like many of his other problems) approaches the situation with almost no perspective and sprays out the first kneejerk reaction that he gets.

he also signal boosts people like jordon peterson, who are just garden variety reactionaries

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b-b-b-but daddy Peterson said I had to clean my room to banish the dragon of chaos! /s

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H3H3, they're the joke heisters that came with the beanie masks right?

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I've dealt with Ethan AND Hila IR. I worked for a company associated with them, I have proof for the naysayers too. But anyways Ethan is an egotistical jerk but Hila is as well. She seems so cute and nice 9n camera but you can see her attitude slightly for example during thr one messed up dentist episode. She has a control issue thing where she didnt like the dentists camera guys which I get but in their little lobby room she still had an attitude because they didnt do exactly what Ethan requested before the show started. I used to LOOOOVE H3h3 but they are more fake than the Paul's. Do not trust their word or playing with the depression video, Ethan is a genius at marketing and wiggling his way out of being the villain.

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i was never a long time fan so I don't know their content that well but hila has always struck me as a little off and I don't think it gets talked about enough. people focus on ethan because he's the face of the channel but i think there's something seriously weird with her, too. she never seems happy and always like she's just following ethan's lead and doing what he wants her to do. he seems to make her uncomfortable on the podcast pretty often but he either doesn't notice or doesn't care and she just kind of nervously laughs it off while he drags on and on and on about inappropriate shit. I dunno. something definitely isn't right with them.

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13 points · 9 days ago

Generally, I think they're taking themselves too seriously. H3H3 always had problems creating any original content, which leaves them more exposed to whatever challenges come when messing with company X, person Y or issue Z. They need a heavier dose of self-deprecating humor. They don't know shit and they can't do shit, they just turn on youtube and react to it.

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While he used to make some quality content EG: CSGO Lotto exposed, Hugh Mungus interviews etc, he now just seems to do something my partner pointed out to me and I can't unsee it - he argues points like a teenager, going over and over the same thing in the same way, but not really saying anything at the same time. There's very few valid or funny observations he makes, he goes off on tangents, builds strawmen and just generally argues around the point he tries to make instead of just making it.


This doesn't answer your question, but that's kinda how I feel about him now and why I unsubbed a while back, perhaps that's the same as others who still continue to watch him.

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I just don’t like him because he was an asshole to William Osman.

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13 points · 8 days ago

Yes!!! His face honestly broke my heart in the video vigilante clips. He knew what was up too.

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TLDR; Ethan is a hypocrite and an opportunistic scumbag. He takes advantage of those below hin and denies any vharges against him regarding his hypocrisy.

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90 points · 9 days ago · edited 8 days ago

I wasn't a big fan of H3H3, but him having JonTron on his podcast is what completely turned me off from him.

In case you don't know, the streamer Destiny had a two hour debate with JonTron about immigration/crime committed by black people/Nazis/etc. which spawned from JonTron repeating white nationalist talking points on Twitter and retweeting bigoted tweets from Congressman Steve King. In this debate, JonTron said a whole host of racist, idiotic, and bigoted things which caused a sharp backlash against him (Here's a clip of them talking about black males, and here's another one of them talking about "White Genocide").

H3H3 subsequently decided to have him on his podcast and when asked about it, JonTron's excuse was "oh I'm not great at debating, I wasn't prepared, I was ambushed" etc. H3H3 didn't question it at all and said "I don't want to get too deep into this because this is a light-hearted show, I don't want to get into negativity, etc. etc."

I'm curious if Ethan and Hila would have someone on their show who thinks that Jewish people are genetically predisposed to greed and are part of some global conspiracy to take over the world and instead of questioning him on it, said "oh we don't have to talk about that, this is a lighthearted show." Something tells me they wouldn't.

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83 points · 9 days ago

Ethan has said some really borderline racist shit himself on his podcast. He doesn't really research anything and just parrots bigoted shit he read one time on the internet.

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didn't that cause a fan outcry on their subreddit?

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Almost nothing causes outcry on there.

That place was/is genuinely borderline cultish. Even when Ethan admits he's wrong (see the WSJ situation a year or two ago) you still have people defending him.

I'm like half convinced he could put out literally shit as content and they'd go "haha I love these goofs and gags Vape Nashe Amite guys"

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14 points · 9 days ago

If you go back far enough into my comment history, I called out Ethan for asking softball questions to Jon Tron and refusing to press on the issue of racism while criticizing an absolutely bad joke on Jews by PewDiePie. I believe one person responded to me by saying that's because Jon Tron was Ethan's friend. Wat?

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I never watched the debate with Jontron before. Holy shit... that was bad. Wtf happened to Jontron? Wtf was that...

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I think that they just hit a wall in their content. It was constant and light hearted and funny stuff, which people like

They eventually stopped posting as much, and then they overcorrected with the many apology videos.

Ethan then started to post a lot of things that made him seem like an asshole. Things that were trying to be funny, but they were not even entertaining the other side of the story. Just pushing the joke like in the “Prince Ea” video.

Now I think Ethan is finding himself and as a fan I love to see this. You can tell part of his message is the mental health thing, which he never really talked about before.

Now that he’s had these few overkill depression videos, I personally believe that H3H3 will figure out their message and create more generally likable content. But who knows.

As a fan who likes to see a fellow timid, anxious dude getting success, I’m cheering them on all the way through

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He has his moments. Like when he had one of the funniest guys alive (Bill Burr) on his podcast but it was one large cringefest and him constantly talking over Bill.

His depression was apparent and he started going into politics and spouting bullshit from time to time. And he wasn't really joking like saying "well now I understand the wall Hila, seeing this makes me really want a wall" and other dumb shit. He goes from being a liberal dude that doesn't go into politics too much to a grumpy and depressed super cynical dude who is like "fuckit, I guess the alt right is right"

He constantly makes claims about things he doesn't know and understand etc. Making generalizations etc

People are also just pissed in general because he mostly stopped doing his regular videos and focused on podcasting for a while. While he also pushed a ton of merch stuff.

I don't watch/listen to most of his podcasts as I prefer much Joe Rogan etc if I'm listening to a podcast. But H3 made some regular videos recently. I think he feels a bit better now he's going to be a dad etc. I think the sudden wealth and responsibility make him feel depressed

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35 points · 9 days ago

It's because Ethan is self-righteous and an arrogant person. I used to defend him, but this video flipped me:

https://youtu.be/2t5v5S0UuOg

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Holy shit. The guy makes fantastic points.

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61 points · 9 days ago · edited 9 days ago

Honestly l got pissed when I saw this https://youtu.be/WLu4LGgYZfA

Being of Indian descent (born in America), his comments making sweeping generalizations really made me stop liking him.

Edit: I am referring to when he says aren’t all Indians the goofiest people you have met? Replace indian with any other race or ethnicity and see what you think.

I am not offended by what he said about Bollywood.

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For someone who only has a passing interest you seem to know alot about these guys

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I’ve listened to his podcast and and many others. And Ethan got a more “controlling” interview technique than the norm, which leads to the conversation drifted towards topics about himself. Some may enjoy it and say is more of a free conversation, personally I don’t really like it so therefore just don’t listen to it.

I don’t think he deserves shit for his interview technique. Just avoid the podcast if you don’t like it

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16 points · 9 days ago

As far as people giving him shit for being depressed, it's not about the fact that he is depressed, but the fact that he's been talking about it for a year, and openly ignoring doctors advise to try antidepressants, calling it an easy way out, which it isn't for someone who is clinically depressed.

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My interest stopped when I realised they are always complaining and nagging

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H3H3 was always a lowest-common-denominator production that appealed to younger audiences who are enthralled with people arbitrarily espousing counter-culture or taboo things. After several years this content naturally gets old and your audience grows up and he's struggling to stay relevant. He created a podcast but it only made it all the more apparent he has very little to offer intellectually, so I think recently he's been claiming it's depression that made him bad but NOW it's going to change.

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5 points · 8 days ago

Ethan purposefully and maliciously trolled and demeaned a mentally vulnerable alcoholic ShoeNice, no matter how stupid his rant was years ago Ethan's exploitation of him now is disgusting.

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Watch the video 'The Death of H3Productions'.

It's a near 2 hour long breakdown in a Content Cop style of why Ethan is a manipulative hypocrite, and Hila is no saint either.

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