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Florida
6.8k points6 days ago

The Independent UK has a good frame by frame analysis video here as well.

Shows conclusively the video was doctored

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2.2k points6 days agoedited 5 days ago

That's the best analysis video if you ask me. He shows the two videos simultaneously so you can see clearly and exactly where the Sarah Sanders video was freezeframed.

Bu the way, that's the second video The Independent uploaded. They originally uploaded the synchronized comparison video by itself without the guy explaining everything. If you want to study closely how the two videos differ here's a link:

https://streamable.com/0x6qo

Edit: by the way, there's also another great video that a lot of people have missed. The video that most people have seen (and the one that's the basis for Sarah Sanders' tweet) comes from C-SPAN. It cuts away to Trump at the beginning of the interaction.

But there is a video by NBC from a different angle that shows the whole interaction. It shows the intern rudely reaching over Acosta's arm two times, touching him twice, before she forcefully tries to grab the microphone from him, touching him for a third time in the process, this time on the hand.

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896 points5 days agoedited 5 days ago

I like how the guy is doing the same "chop" with his right hand while explaining it, just to drive home that this is just normal conversational hand movements.

Boy there's a lot of bots and crazies on the comments too, I better watch out if I bump into anyone in the supermarket while reaching for my cheerios, I could get locked up for sexual assault according to some of those people.

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I better watch out if I bump into anyone in the supermarket while reaching for my cheerios, I could get locked up for sexual assault according to some of those people.

Actually, going by this video, they would have to bump into you for you to be locked up for sexual assault.

Keep in mind that these are the same people who were defending Kav a few days ago and Lewandowski during the Trump campaign.

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109 points5 days ago

The fact that the press have gone to video analysts, and that there's 1.5k posts here debating the video is depressing AF. It's 100% not the point. The point is that Trump was mildly challenged by a reporter, and had his credentials revoked. But now everyone's all caught up in video editors having opinions and have lost sight of the actual issue, as is depressingly predictable every time Trump does something outrageous. When are people going to start learning?

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鈥淒id you see it?鈥

鈥淵eah I saw it on Fox News, he was so aggressive!鈥

-Millions of Americans right now

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15 points5 days ago

If the rest of the white house press lets this stand they are a disgrace to the profession. Every question should be, "Why did you tweet doctored footage of our colleague and then revoke his press pass? Will you do the same to others of us?"

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70 points5 days ago

Hey... the very slightest slimmest of chance that he assaulted her (0.00000000000124%) absolutely justifies disregarding the first amendment.

Now... if he went to Yale and is going to sit on the Supreme Court or is being asked questions by a reporter before an election then that鈥檚 totally justified and any implication otherwise is shameful and an attempt to 鈥渄estroy a good man鈥

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Easy solve - Become a star and then you can grab them by the pussy.

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328 points5 days agoedited 5 days ago

That鈥檚 what鈥檚 so ridiculous as I鈥檓 sure we all know. Barred for assault? He bumped her arm. Barred for bumping arms with a girl by accident, from a dude who gloated about assaulting women by grabbing them by the pussy. It鈥檚 just insane. And if you look at the video of Acosta, it looks like he makes contact because he was gesticulating with his hand while asking his question, trying to make a point. And she just jumped into his personal space and put her arm under his gesticulating arm and then contact is made as he is moving it down, sort of emphasizing a point in his question. I mean if someone is in the middle of speaking, using their hands a lot, and you stick your face and body in their area and you get hit and then claim assault, you鈥檙e a moron.

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I use my hands to talk a lot. I once backhanded my wife in the ear while telling a story at a party. Her friends looked shocked, but she quickly spoke up and said something like "It was an accident, it's not the first time, at least it wasn't in the boob this time, and I kick him in my sleep every night so it all kind of wash."

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46 points5 days ago

I like your wife's sense of humor. She's a keeper.

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58 points5 days ago

I think she's taken. But good luck.

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Never, never, never give up. --Winston Churchill's wife

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63 points5 days agoedited 5 days ago

They think they鈥檝e caught 鈥渓eftists being hypocrites.鈥 He could鈥檝e punched her in the face and said 鈥渇- you b-鈥 and he would鈥檝e gotten the exact same reaction.

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83 points5 days ago

It鈥檚 all so pathetic. I鈥檝e been genuinely depressed since election night, just like in 2016. I know there鈥檚 a lot to be positive about, but it just gets so tiring. It鈥檚 like waking up every day and trying to convince a brick wall to be a tree. It鈥檚 just completely exhausting and depressing sometimes I just wanna give up. I know we can鈥檛, but man it really takes a toll on the mental health. Just real down lately about it all. So tired of trying to maneuver through it all, when it just seems so plain and obvious. But, hate knows no bounds.

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California
41 points5 days ago

I feel you man. After putting more effort into the midterms ( I鈥檓 really happy about voting and becoming more familiar with the system ) and trying to explain current events to family and friends who aren鈥檛 paying as much attention. And after the two years of non-stop unprecedented events plus sessions being 鈥渓et go鈥. I just feel sort of let down by the universe. It seems like this guy, who is a really bad person, evading taxes and purposely dividing our country, while I鈥檓 just trying to be an okay citizen, friend and family member, Gets the okay from my fellow Americans. I don鈥檛 want to hate others. I don鈥檛 want to be enemies to these people. I just don鈥檛 understand why they want to screw themselves and everyone else.

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149 points5 days agoedited 5 days ago

To the crazies, just explain that it鈥檚 not assault because she let him do it.

That鈥檒l calm 鈥榚m down.

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113 points5 days ago

Look at what she was wearing, she was asking for her arm to be karate chopped.

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112 points5 days ago

Jim Acosta is famous, she'd let him do it, right? You can do anything if you're famous.

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11 points5 days ago

Jim Acosta is famous, she'd let him do it, right? You can do anything if you're famous.

THATS IT, YOU HEARD IT, THATS CONSENT!!

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61 points5 days ago

I like how Thing has a front row seat

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"Slow down! It's terrible when you stutter!"

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Look at the comments on Youtube though. I can't tell if people are just that dumb or if they're shills.

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9 points5 days ago

Most likely yes.

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How long until the right wing just straight up says all the original 'copies' are fake, and the real copy is the Paul Joseph Watson one?

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Pennsylvania
11 points5 days agoedited 5 days ago

The original video clearly shows this woman grabbing at Acosta's mic. That grabbing motion is obviously what initiated any contact with Acosta.

How Orwellian does Trump's administration need to act before everyone finally calls for it to stop?

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Good god those comments are still saying Acosta was brutally abusive towards her. What the fuck is wrong with people

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And not even a month after Trump praised Gianforte at a Missouri rally for fighting with a reporter. 鈥淎ny guy that can do a body-slam, he is my kind of guy,鈥

But pushing an arm away when somebody reaches for your mic? BRUTAL ASSAULT.

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New York
102 points5 days ago

It鈥檚 all about reporters. If the intern had kicked him in the stomach and gone for a stunner it would have been fine.

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175 points5 days ago

bots and trolls I think, and a few people stupid enough to go along for the ride.

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129 points5 days ago

also known as trump's base

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"believers" believe in most bullshit. This is why it is important to make sure that public tax dollars are not used to subsidize belief systems.

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47 points6 days ago

Those comments are fun!

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79 points5 days ago

They sure are. How many times during this event did trump start answering the question before the person could finish. And as soon as trump was done giving a bullshit answer a intern is there to grab the mic out of your hand. Transparency?

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71 points5 days ago

"Mr Trump..."

"Yes, I've always been known as Mr Trump. It's the best name. Next person please. No, sit down you're done. Next."

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You have to believe everything I say and everything else is fake news. NEXT!

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Did you read those replies? They give zero fucks that what they're seeing isn't real. They just care about their side being "right" based on whatever is being fed to them.

I've lost hope, guys.

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America
41 points5 days ago

These are folks who voted for Donald Trump to be President. Go figure.

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Pennsylvania
21 points5 days ago

It鈥檚 small compared to other issues but this really was a breaking point to me with people truly being warped.

Forget the talking points of games leading to violence. This is what happens when you have 10 years of social media fueled hate with a mix of Limbaugh and Fox.

An administration that said Week 1 we鈥檒l lie straight to your face and was still supported by these people have now reached the level of seeing actual evidence and still refusing to accept it.

All my Trump loving Uncle in law can do is try and change the subject to Fusion. Or Obama spying. ANYTHING to avoid the truth.

We finally went full 1984 with this incident.

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47 points5 days ago

Read the youtube comments and now i have cancer

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Those are most likely bots and hired trolls, right? YouTube/Google hasn't put out PR regarding measures toward prevention of disinformation because Facebook and Twitter were the only MSSM platforms put on blast.

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New Jersey
255 points6 days ago

..... The human eye does not see in frames per second. If you've ever watched certain soap operas or youtube videos and wondered why they look different it's because they're shot at 60 FPS instead of 24. The Hobbit was shot at 48 FPS.

The reason a movie looks smooth at 24 FPS is because all the images are blurry, and your brain does the rest of the work. When you play a game at 24 FPS it looks choppy because all the images are crisp.

Glad I got that out of the way. Gonna finish watching the video now.

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79 points5 days ago

The Hobbit was shot at 48 FPS.

Is that why in the theatre it looked more like people larping in a field than it did an actual movie? It hurt my brain to watch that.

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New Jersey
80 points5 days ago

The problem with recording in higher framerates is that it exposes how shitty everything else is. If they were better at blending things it wouldn't look so bad.

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Yeah, games are better at higher FPS because it's making things look more real. Movies looking more real just shows its fakery better.

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60 points5 days ago

Yes... I paid extra to see the high FPS and I hated every moment of it.

For some reason high FPS makes things look extra detailed in low motion scenes especially... everyone looked like they were wearing fake beards and makeup (which they were but I could easily see) it reminds me of when HD TV first came about... you could see everyones pancake makeup and the cheap seems on their outfits...

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The oldschool TMNT movie on bluray. You can see the actor in the mouth, which you couldn't see in the original VHS and oldschool TVs.

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Well that's terrifying.

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38 points5 days ago

You can see the effect on most modern TVs by turning on frame interpolation鈥攗sually called something along the lines of motion plus. It inserts frames calculated to turn the movie/show into a very high framerate video.

It鈥檚 called 鈥渟oap opera effect鈥 and exposes costumes, sets, etc. It basically undoes a lot of cinematic tricks that are there to help you. You really aren鈥檛 supposed to see that clearly.

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23 points5 days agoedited 5 days ago

VFX guy here, fuck that hurt to hear a "leading" expert on video production say that.

For those asking about why movies are 24 fps its a combination of things with a huge part of it being tradition. Films use to be shot at lower frame rates.15 to be exact. Obviously with improvements in tech we could handle filming at higher frame rates. 24 was chosen because it was the minimum framerate needed for things to feel smooth. Films have been shot in 24 for so long it's what we are used to and what we naturally accept as the "filmic" look. I guarantee if that standard initially landed on a much higher framerate and we all grew up with that framerate would be preferred film look. TV landed on 30fps (I'm not getting into 23.976 or 29.97) purely to meet broadcast standards.

Another problem with even higher framerates, is we start moving into a hyper real look. Things become uncanny, while 24 feels more like a dream.

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19 points5 days ago

Not that it matters but I believe most stateside soaps were shot at 30 frames per second, they just used interlacing fuckery to make it smoother.

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60 interlaced fields per second.

Each pair of fields was considered one frame for the purposes of timecode and editing, but there were absolutely 60 units of motion per second in ntsc video. (when colour came along it was slowed by 1/1000th to 59.94 fields per second as a technical workaround to an obscure signal problem)

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Texas
69 points5 days ago

Yeah, its a common myth but isnt all that relevant to the rest of the content of the video.

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69 points5 days ago

It's mildly relevant, since he's presenting as a subject matter expert. I think what he meant was closer to the "24 FPS is the minimum teh human eye needs for fluid motion".

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Texas
12 points5 days ago

Yeah. 24 fps is about the level (depending on video quality and a number of other factors) where most people stop noticing choppiness.

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19 points5 days agoedited 5 days ago

I almost stopped watching the video because of this. If he's gonna come out as an expert, and say something right off the bat I know is incorrect, how can I take the rest of what he's saying seriously?

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264 points6 days ago

It won't matter. As Scott Adams says, we are watching two movies. The problem with that analysis is that one is a non-fiction based on reality, whereas the other is a fantasy. Both movies can get the facts wrong, but the latter doesn't even need to pretend to try.

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176 points6 days ago

We are watching a live event and the fake movie created from it.

If I took a Dilbert strip and changed the words in the panels I couldn鈥檛 say 鈥淲ell, we鈥檙e looking at two comics... both equally authoritative鈥

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Just look at the comments on that youtube video, the right wants to believe the fake movie.

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"Those who can be made to believe absurdities, can be made to commit atrocities." -- Voltaire

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69 points5 days ago

The problem with being wrong is that the more you invest in it the more you just have to defend it.

Things like this give a thin veneer of justification. It鈥檚 weak but it鈥檚 better than the alternative.

Cognitive dissonance is a strong drug.

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91 points5 days ago

I don't expect to break the spell in any of the cultists.

That said however, these are always good examples to remind us that the gaslighting is gaslighting. Look at their responses, look at how they react to it... And now realize that those are words coming out of their mouths that they know are lies. Look at the single-minded unity of that lie. The person who edited the video, posted it, and everyone who ate it up even after they knew they were being manipulated. It's okay, a means to an end. "It's promoting our message, so it's okay."

They know what they're doing. Decent people end up getting gaslighted because they believe others are acting in good faith. These people are liars, and they know they're liars. And they are content being liars if it drives their agenda. Words are a tool to them.

So remember that when you're uncertain. Don't trust the damn word they say, verify. Gaslighting works by getting you the follow along with a false reality. In this case it's obvious, it's not in all cases.

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24 points5 days ago

That鈥檚 a great point. The ends justify the means.

Crimes for justice, lying for truth, murder for life and dictatorship for democracy.

It鈥檚 maddening.

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57 points5 days ago

Remember, this is the same group that clipped together a bunch of videos to give false impressions about planned Parenthood.

Think about the results of that. Legislation was passed, people on the right repeated it endlessly and it was amplified as a rallying call.

What were the consequences? Nothing? The group is still working as normal.

Sure, we won a moral victory by pointing out the hypocrisy... What exactly did that get us? Their lies had the effect they were aiming for. Proving the truth takes time, and the people proving it can easily be labeled "the enemy".

Their method works and will continue to work.

Truth is inconvenient and optional. Sure, you win a moral victory by being honest, but that doesn't put any points on the scoreboard. Did the moral victory win any votes? Did the moral victory decide the Supreme Court?

The whole thing is a damn mess. And I'm frustrated because their method clearly works better.

Looking at it objectively, their method of building up and unquestioning cult that will only listen to officially sanctioned news sources, and will always assume their side is right and the enemy is wrong, works. Purely from a survival of the fittest type standpoint, their method works better in our government.

It's not what's better for our future. It's not what's better if you value truth. But for accomplishing their goals? Oh hell, they blow us out of the water. We will divide up at the drop of a hat... Refuse to support a politician who wants 75% of what we want, stay home and boycott them.

Meanwhile anyone who identifies with their clan gets unwavering support. Sure there are some minor problems with abuse of power, con artists, rampant immorality, and straight up lying... But none of that stuff stops them from pushing their agenda.

... The whole thing makes me angry and ranting. We expect basic decency from people, and take it as an assumed. And we just don't know how to deal with a situation where a large group of people have turned their back on that. Where anything is justified as long as they are on your side.

I wish it wasn't so damn effective. but here we are, winning moral victories and losing everything else.

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While I understand the frustration, it's important to remember that we won the house by a significant margin only 2 days ago. We still have a long way to go, but there are a lot of people trying to do the right thing for the country, too.

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19 points5 days ago

Remember, these are the people who heard Trump brag about sexually assaulting a married woman and when women came forward and said, 鈥測eah, that happened,鈥 decided the women were the liars.

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level 3
21 points5 days ago

It won't matter. As Scott Adams says, we are watching two movies.

And we know which one he'd be watching if we asked. Admittedly off-topic, but it's a shame he's become a Trumpist nutjob.

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63 points6 days ago

Isn't Scott Adam's also a Maga proponent? What am I missing here?

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Nah, he's just an opportunist. His political agenda is to get attention, stay relevant, and position himself in a profitable niche from which to write a book after the Trump-nado blows over.

He's the embodiment of cynicism and his fascination with Trump is entirely related to his creepy hypnosis and persuasion hobby.

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Nah, he's just an opportunist.

He's an opportunist, yes, but he's also a piece of shit human being. His philosophies align with that of incels. In fact, I'd even go as far as to say he is an incel.

level 6
28 points5 days ago

He posts average body shirtless pictures regularly. He's definitely an incel.

"Look at me at 50 with a not totally fat body. And still I get no respect"

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17 points5 days ago

He also had that open letter where he tried to explain how women owe him sex if he buys them dinner.

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Pennsylvania
13 points5 days ago

He used to be self-deprecating about his vegetarianism. I thought he was the shit in middle school. What鈥檚 crazy is that Trump is like his horrible boss character. I didn鈥檛 think he admired the boss.

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He used to be self-deprecating about his vegetarianism.

It wasn't self-deprecating, it was humblebragging.

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Jesus. 3 frames. That鈥檚 insidious. Someone was purposely trying to edit this away and not get caught.

This is truly a dark line she鈥檚 crossed. What won鈥檛 this administration do to protect themselves?

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"The human eye sees at 25 frames per second"

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Sanders, who hasn鈥檛 said where the tweeted video came from, noted that it clearly shows Acosta made contact with the intern.

We know where it came from.

InfoWars crackpot made it: https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1060344443616800768

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1.2k points5 days agoedited 5 days ago

it clearly shows Acosta made contact with the intern.

This shit from the 'Grab em by the pussy!' party. The party of Roy Moore. And the rest.

Why aren't the media coming out swinging with goo?

Edit - I'm not sure what my predictive txt was thinking at the end of that last sentence.

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America
611 points5 days ago

Literally days ago Trump publicly praised a Rep for body slamming a reporter.

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189 points5 days ago

Duh. But that was the enemy being body slammed. Why can鈥檛 you see the horror of Jim Acosta brushing the hand of the aggressive victim in this case? /s

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鈥淒on鈥檛 you see the irony in calling this accidental contact an assault while simultaneously praising a Republican for body slamming a member of the press?鈥

Why can鈥檛 the press just ask that? Be blunt. Be straightforward. Don鈥檛 allow them any way to twist your question around. I feel like people need to be as bold as him. Bolder.

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They say things like that. And Huckabee says things like 鈥淟Ook, the White House has been clear that Acosta is the enemy of the people since the days of the Bowling Green Massacre.鈥

I hear the press asking tough questions all the time. The White House just deflects and lies and calls on the reporter from Breitbart.

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Cause then they get their mic cut off and their press pass revoked, duh.

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The party that loves to scream "fake news"

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Basically this administration is doing anything they criticise other people of doing.

Speaking is there strongest tell.

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Not only that, but all of a sudden we have a major problem when a CNN reporter "puts his hands on a wh intern". But five minutes ago our president is glorifying a republican candidate for body slamming a reporter?

It's one thing to deal with occasional hypocrisy. But this is just a brazen effort to support any talking point of the moment. We don't like reporters? Physical violence is just fine. We want to ban a troublesome reporter from asking more questions? Oh, he laid his hands on an intern.

It's the kind of thing I'd expect to see from the political regime of a "shithole country".

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Washington
283 points5 days ago

It's also intentionally wormy. "Made contact with the intern." Yeah. He lightly touched a person that put herself directly in his arm space from out of his scope of vision, then made a quick apology as he immediately moved away.

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145 points5 days ago

Did you not see the zoom in? He broke her fucking elbow, mate. /s

level 4

When is her memorial?

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California
60 points5 days ago

How dare you mock her. I bet you didn鈥檛 even read the full story. This poor woman lost her fucking arm. They had to amputate her withered limb after his brutal attack.

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Pennsylvania
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198 points5 days ago

Calling PJW an Infowars crackpot undersells his insanity. The man's a living meme

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152 points5 days ago

I went through a bit of an anti-sjw phase a few years ago and this guy's absolute hate for women is what made me reconsider some of my views.

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Genuinely, thanks for snapping out of that.

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67 points5 days ago

I'm much better off now, the infowars people truly are fueled with hate, not healthy.

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Pennsylvania
8 points5 days ago

I believe that fear is possibly more fundamental, whether it's conscious or not. Fear of the unknown and unfamiliar seems to be more-or-less innate to humans to start with. Consider that people who are a notch or two further away from center than garden-variety conservatives, also tend to be connected to more insular cultural environments with relatively low levels of exposure to (and comfort with) alternative attitudes, values, and worldviews. The notion that fear would accompany increased exposure to these things seems entirely predictable, and by itself, quite forgivable in my opinion. But what we're seeing is the exploitation of that fear by people who stand to gain from it, overpowering any civic-minded efforts to mitigate it. It's not surprising to me at all that hatred develops in these conditions.

That's how we end up with millions of people pulling the lever for these amoral dirtbags, cycle after cycle, despite all the material harm it causes them. They're trying to vote their fears away. Meanwhile, the people in power who enjoy their support go through wives like bars or soap and get their own daughters the best abortions money can buy.

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Made contact = Assault

Naturally.

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Molest women and children = Won鈥檛 catch me doing it again, I pwomise.

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I hate the comments, I hate Twitter so much and everything about how it is now.

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1.4k points6 days ago

No shit.

They pushed that doctored version as if people didn鈥檛 already see the incident live.

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South Carolina
494 points6 days ago

For, after all, how do we know that two and two make four? Or that the force of gravity works? Or that the past is unchangeable? If both the past and the external world exist only in the mind, and if the mind itself is controllable 鈥 what then?

-George Orwell, 1984

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112 points5 days ago

this is why fascists believe they're the next evolution of mankind. They've learned to game their own minds and believe themselves stronger for it

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Might I add: I feel as of they noticed the ability to game other people鈥檚 mind and believe themselves better for it.

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167 points6 days ago

No one has ever accused the Trump administration of being too intelligent.

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47 points6 days ago

John Barrron has .

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22 points6 days ago

Shit, got me there...

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51 points5 days ago

I can't believe this is happening! Like we all didnt see and are just going to let it go?

I would say we should be in the streets but its already happening.

I would say vote but the amount of blanent voter suppression that is happening is absurd! By our own president on the border during election!

I am at a loss. I hope Muller saves us all but the amount of division that has been created will not be healed in my lifetime.

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I just got back from the streets. It was protest day today...

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2.4k points6 days ago

This is right out of a dictatorship play book. If this same story came out of Russia or North Korea, we wouldn't even be surprised.

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873 points6 days ago

The Trump base WANT a dictatorship. They are full of hatred and fear. They are the weakest minded people and yearn for a mighty overlord.

Why else would the elect and continue to support a dictator?

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The Trump base WANT a dictatorship. They are full of hatred and fear. They are the weakest minded people and yearn for a mighty overlord.

It's crazy. I can understand wanting to have power. But these guys actively WANT to be lied to every day. They want to have doctored videos from official sources be the norm. To have falsified elections be the norm, as long as their people win. They're too damn stupid to see how this could backfire.

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217 points5 days ago

Its like what recently happened in Turkey. Everything was going well. Erdogan staged an extremely fake and obvious Coup d'茅tat. People supported him basically taking away their rights and establishing a dictatorship.

This is happening right now. Turkey is not a developing nation, it is a westernized developed nation. People accepted a dictatorship, and are happy about it.

Humans are fucking morons

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Germany: "Known issue, but cannot reproduce, please upgrade to the latest version of democracy, this should have been resolved in v19.45"

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Australia
19 points5 days ago

I mean, it's telling that other democracies are more resistant to electoral fraud than the US. Hell, you're still on this weird two-party release candidate branch.

You guys really ought to update to the latest patch.

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They're not stupid, and they don't want to be lied to, they want to participate in the lying. That's exactly what this is. That's exactly what the fake charges against Mueller last week were. That's what project Veritas always was. Republicans do not actually believe the lies. They are complicit in the lies because it is part of their political nature to win via bullying.

I really hope that with this video incident people are finally going to see that.

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Certainty and self-righteousness is a helluva drug! Theres a very good youtube video on the "never play defence" tactic used by neo-cons/alt-right folks. Just throw it on the wall, use what sticks, essentially disguising a gish-gallop as political ideology.

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They don鈥檛 think THEY are being lied to. They think they鈥檙e part of the lie. They think their 鈥渢eam鈥 is winning, and lying is the best way to 鈥渙wn鈥 them. They don鈥檛 think they鈥檙e being lied to because whatever the White House says, they鈥檒l parrot so they can seem like they were 鈥渋n on it鈥 too.

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Arkansas
20 points5 days ago

I think you're misunderstanding the perspective of a lot of these people. They think they are on the "right side" of a massive takeover of the country. They have painted it black and white or, blue and red. They have been fed conspiracy theories that accelerate the "rabbit hole" mindset and start to believe the entire government is compromised by a globalist cabal. I know, because I was one of these morons once. As it turns out, most the people that would push these conspiracy theories for profit just so happened to be right wing nuts. The Trump camp picked the perfect time jump on the culmination of all that I depicted to whip into a nationalist fervor. They DONT want a dictatorship, they think he'll protect their rights. They think he's the hero they've been waiting for and he's doing all kinds of good behind what the media shows. They don't see that they are being lied to. They will automatically think that anything outside official trump media is "lib fake propaganda". We are so divided, its getting scary y'all.

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1.1k points6 days agoedited 5 days ago

I really hope Acosta sues. It seems to me he's got a good case for slander/libel/ and/or defamation (I'm not sure which or if multiple apply here).

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215 points5 days ago

Libel and slander are both types of defamation. Libel is an untrue defamatory statement that is made in writing. Slander is an untrue defamatory statement that is spoken orally. The difference between defamation and slander is that a defamatory statement can be made in any medium.

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I wasn't sure in this case since there was a tweet, but the tweet was made in a video, and then there are statements and accusations on top of that. Thus why I'm not sure if one is more appropriate than another, or if multiple might apply.

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28 points5 days ago

It鈥檚 libelous.

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38 points5 days ago

An actual court win is the only thing that might change some minds

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Canada
61 points5 days ago

He could probably sue for damages as well, getting his job just axed like that on a lie.

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Technically he still has a job, just his access has been suspended. Still, this is based on a lie, but I'm not sure how it plays out in court.

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18 points5 days ago

Those are damages, it鈥檚 affects his ability to do his job

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295 points5 days ago

The party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command. His heart sank as he thought of the enormous power arrayed against him, the ease with which any Party intellectual would overthrow him in debate, the subtle arguments which he would not be able to understand, much less answer. And yet he was in the right! They were wrong and he was right.聽

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How is this not illegal?

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Illegal actions by the Trump Administration have been moved to their own island. We ran out of space at the warehouse complex.

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Area 45

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96 points5 days agoedited 5 days ago

Oh it is. In case you haven鈥檛 noticed, Trump does illegal things on the daily. Literally. Brazenly. Whether taking money from foreign governments in 鈥漛usiness鈥 transactions, a violation of the Constitution, letting his staff repeatedly violate the Hatch Act... someone has a list I鈥檓 sure. The problem is that the office of President largely runs the law enforcement agencies, and the Senate is basically the only other body with power to check the President. The House can whine (and barely has been doing that). The President ignores the law at will, and the Senate has decided to turn a blind eye to its responsibilities under the Constitution.

Now that the Russia criminal probe has caught wind of his family鈥檚 involvement, he鈥檚 taken control of that too. We don鈥檛 have a President. We have a crime boss.

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Canada
92 points5 days ago

It's a Republican doing it to the "fake" news, so it's okay.

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Amateur: Acosta video distributed by White House was doctored

Me: Acosta video distributed by White House was doctored

Dog: Acosta video distributed by White House was doctored

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126 points5 days ago

Look at the comments.. tons of Cult45 members say 鈥渢he videos are identical!鈥

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113 points5 days ago

Well if it's one thing they can't stand it's a man who puts his hands on a woman without asking. /s

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Ha, good one.

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Eric Trump: AND I'M Acosta video distributed by White House was doctored

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15 points5 days ago

What does this mean?

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California
21 points5 days ago

It's a play on the SNL characterization of him

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SHS: He beat up that poor intern woman!!

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But I was just told by a right wing terrorist, from a sub that reddit allows to operate, that it wasn't doctored.

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97 points5 days ago

A certain gay frog loving radio host tried to walk back the video saying "If you download and upload a video three times, this will happen"

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53 points5 days ago

I've seen people trying to spread that on Reddit. "This is what happens when you make a video into a gif then repost it as a video!"

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1.2k points6 days ago

How can anyone who cares about their country and loves their Constitution defend this? Oh, that's right, we are talking about Republicans.

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Republicans love America the way a tapeworm loves the human they live in.

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How might one acquire a tapeworm? I鈥檇 like to lose some weight and am willing to sacrifice my constitution.

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willing to sacrifice my constitution

Now that was a beautiful double entendre.

Depressing, but beautiful.

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California
138 points6 days ago

This is perfect.

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48 points5 days ago

The more I think about this analogy, the more I can't come up with a way that the GOP isn't like a tapeworm.

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42 points5 days ago

They will claim that you can't trust the person saying it's doctored. We are entering a new era where technology can be weaponized to create evidence and we've got political parties more than will to do it. Terrifying.

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26 points5 days ago

You know I brought this up to a right wing person that has yet to watch the videos. They just kept asking me what the reporter and trump was arguing about and I was like "it doesn't really matter thats not the part of the video edited"

then I eventually said it was a CNN reporter and they went on about liberals always finding something to complain about.

the mental hoops these people go through literally give me a headache when I try to talk to them about anything that goes against them.

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155 points6 days ago

It doesn't take an expert to tell, but having an expert back up what can clearly be seen provides further credence to the claims that the WH is lying.

The question now is whether SHS will get directly called out on it, whether she'll directly respond to it, and whether she'll try and blame someone else for it.

level 2
39 points5 days ago

She MIGHT get called out. If she does, she will respond to it, and she WILL blame someone else and also lie some more.

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Missouri
26 points5 days ago

LOok...

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Florida
372 points6 days ago

thanks expert....or they could have asked any hundred of thousands of people that watched it fucking live

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California
161 points6 days ago

The best part is that to anyone with half a brain, even the doctored version just made it seem like Acosta was extra startled by the intern reaching for the microphone.

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157 points6 days ago

All I can say is when someone hits me I don't kneel down in front of them and stay there.

she clearly didn't seem to think he had attacked her, or else she probably would have moved.

Everything about this is dumb. Including the fact that i even just felt the need to say what i did when clearly it's such bullshit that I shouldn't even have to say it at all.

This is just blatant stupidity masking itself as even stupider stupidity.

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48 points5 days ago

That was my first point immediately last night. Watch her face the entire time. Does she look like she is surprised or injured in anyway? Nope. Goes for the mic and doesn鈥檛 know wtf to do so she kneels. Nobody reacted like she was hit, if she jarred back and clinched her arm trump would of gone ape shit right then and there, not be condescending a min later then later secretly revoke his pass.

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16 points5 days ago

She looks like she felt hella stupid for doing what she did.

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Massachusetts
31 points5 days ago

Everything about this is dumb. Including the fact that i even just felt the need to say what i did when clearly it's such bullshit that I shouldn't even have to say it at all.

This is just blatant stupidity masking itself as even stupider stupidity.

This is my inner diaglog 90% of the times I鈥檓 responding on reddit to something the president or the gop did.

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22 points6 days ago

it looks to me like he was putting his hand up to gesture while speaking. She then comes in under his hand to grab the mic as he's putting his hand down. But really, we are going over details that red hats will never acknowledge anyway.

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California
10 points5 days ago

That's very clearly precisely what happened, and maybe a bit of startlement once they make contact. They doctored it to make it look like he karate-chopped her, which 1) doesn't make sense considering his finger was extended 2) still winds up looking like he was just startled and 3) why did she then kneel down right next to him if she felt assaulted?

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32 points6 days ago

The person who used his expertise to clearly show what SHS did is to be commended.

Evidenced based and factual are what we need more in every aspect of trying to make politicians accountable.

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25 points5 days ago

As a democrat Id be pissed if Obama did this.

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Not only that but I would be embarrassed that I supported someone who could blatantly know like that.

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I get the frame by frame but they also edited how far down her arm goes. Look at the bottom of both frames, it鈥檚 like someone used the swirl tool on her elbow.

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Yeah it looks like he straight up dislocated her elbow.

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21 points5 days ago

Yep. In the doctored footage, his hand appears to go through her arm - subliminal message to the viewer that it was more violent than it really was.

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If this was such a violent and egregious offense that warranted revoking his press pass and publicly rebuking him, why did noone react at the time? I mean seriously, the intern doesnt react like shes been assaulted, Trump does not act like one of his interns was just assaulted right in front of his face, none of the press people act like anything has happened. Trump went on a huge rant about how Acosta is a disgrace immediately after, why didn't he mention the assault he just witnessed? It wasn't until disingenuous right wing trolls on twitter started making a huge deal that anyone in the press said anything. It wasn't until several hours later until that his pass was revoked and SHS tweeted about it. This is all fabricated outrage about something everyone agrees is a non issue, just like the SHS smoky eyes comment at the coorespondents dinner.

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Minnesota
59 points6 days ago

Not even well done, either.

level 2

It's working on his supporters and it's not well done.

Imagine the effect of quality fake videos. The future is so utterly fucked if we don't squash this fascist uprising within the next 4 years

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Texas
26 points5 days ago

She needs to be removed immediately.

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That's because Trump's White House is filled with criminals and reprobates.

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20 points5 days ago

Fuck this lying sociopathic bitch.

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Even if it wasn't, that woman aggressively grabbed his microphone. Why is nobody talking about that?

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Canada
115 points6 days ago

I'm not sure either. She aggressively reached across him and yanked on the microphone, and he moved his arm down. If there was any assault, it would be by that woman. But dont get me wrong, I wouldn't go screaming about it.

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33 points6 days ago

It felt like it was all a set up from the beginning.

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49 points5 days agoedited 5 days ago

I think it doesn't matter. She's an intern and thought that Trump wanted him to stop talking so she triend to grab it, doing what she thought she was supposed to do. It doesn't really matter.

This entire thing is an absolute none issue. What is this issue though, is the fucking white house lying about something so fucking obvious. He did not 'grab' her by an means and they're promoted a doctored video. The White House is playing the victim. The White House has a vendetta against the press for doing their damn job. The Press is a check on the government. Every government in this world would love to get rid of the free press. That's the issue.

What a fucking absolute joke of an administration. Fuck this president and his entire administration. Conway and Sarah Sanders are fucking pathetic jokes. I really hope they have a scarlet letter attached to them after they stop working for this administration

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trump (and republicans) - using the Nazi playbook:

鈥淢ake the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it.鈥鈥擜dolf Hitler

Reminder - Hillary Clinton testified for 11 hours before Congress about Benghazi.

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Illinois
19 points6 days ago

Which version did Fox News viewers see?

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California
41 points6 days ago

Fox Business framed it like Acosta had sexually assaulted the intern

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17 points5 days ago

Like... During a press conference? Is nothing too absurd?

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18 points5 days ago

From a non us perspective it's always a sign of weakness if you have to carry out a person, who is just asking a question you don't like. That's not democratic and it's your job as a leader to answer to them.

It also feels like a government official assaulting a person, by trying to rip the microphone out of his hands. That just doesn't seem civilized and not really respectful.

Even more rude is it to instrumentalize a young, beautiful women to do this Job. She does this job, because the public will look at her actions more positive than if Trump would send some brutish looking marines. That is the epitome of sexism.

I also don't get why touching her arm is considered "laying hands on a young intern who tries to do her job". That must be another very American thing. Laying hands on someone is for me about hitting someone or shoving them away with force. Not moving her arm out of the way with slight pressure, while she tries to take away your microphone. That's just over the top ridiculous.

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14 points5 days agoedited 5 days ago

Earlier this month, Trump cracked a joke that he couldn't call his daughter beautiful because of political correctness. Gross, but point taken.

Now Jim Acosta accidentally touched a woman when she was trying to snatch something from his hand. Trump gets him expelled from the White House briefings and demonises him as a sexual predator.

Hypocritical, Trump complains about the #MeToo movement ruining men's lives but gladly uses it to try and ruin a man's life.

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22 points6 days ago

proof that Trump is a liar. and anyone who supports him is as two faced and hypocritical as he is.

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28 points6 days ago

As a person with eyes and a functioning brain, I concur.

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Verifiable fraud and defamation from a public official for the purposes of attacking the freedom of the press and to lie to the American people.

This is where we're at, and where we've been for far too long now.

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It should not be taking a video expert to prove this. Just go look back at the original taping or any of the clips of it shown on all of the major television news outlets over the course of yesterday and today.

Everyone involved in the decision to push this video out should be fired.

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10 points6 days ago

well no fucking shit, there is live video feed lol.

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Amateur: Yeah, no shit.

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Also worth noting that he didn鈥檛 do anything wrong in the doctored clip either

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10 points5 days ago

Is there still a moron left on this planet that supports this pathetic excuse of an administration? Oh fuck of course there is, and they are by the millions. Daaamn they deserve their fate

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31 points5 days agoedited 5 days ago

I think a key point that everyone seems to be missing is the fact that the first words out of Acosta鈥檚 mouth were 鈥淧ardon me ma鈥檃m鈥.

鈥淧ardon me鈥 is commonly used in place of 鈥渆xcuse me鈥, in the context of going around someone. It鈥檚 also used when brushing against someone while walking or standing in a queue.

Acosta literally apologized milliseconds after brushing up against her arm because it was an accident. An accident that was initiated by her reaching directly below his already out-stretched hand.

Then, due to her attempting to pull the mic out of his hand, she exerts a surprise and unwanted sideways force on his body, i.e. pulling. Given that Acosta isn鈥檛 a gyroscope, his body then reacts accordingly, moving in the same direction that he was being pulled in, thus bringing his already out-stretched hand both slightly down and to the left.

Also, pay attention to the few moments leading up to and after the incident. Like many people, Acosta likes to talk with his hands.

I know that any sane, logical, and critical-thinking person already knows this but I think our education system has failed us tremendously over the last few decades. I realize it鈥檚 much more complicated than just the education system. I do however, think it鈥檚 the base upon which many of the problems we are facing today are built on.

Edit: Hands for hand

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35 points6 days ago

Liars and scum will try to poison anything. I bet Don Jr. made it himself.

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14 points6 days ago

I'll take that bet. No way that incompetent princeling could even figure out how to get video editing software on his own. Had it made, maybe.

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We're one of those countries now FYI.

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